New Camfrog Pro Serial Changes Starting December 10th
Starting December 10th all Camfrog Pro client, server, and bot serial numbers will only work with one nickname at a time. The Camfrog Terms of Service have always made it clear that shared serials will be deactivated and they will not be replaced.
We decided to make this change because we found some Camfrog users were sharing their Camfrog Pro serial with their friend, then their friend would share the serial number with someone else and the serial number would eventually deactivate due to sharing. With this new Camfrog Pro serial number system in place it will be even clearer that Camfrog Pro serials have always been and will always be for one person only.
Please note that Camfrog Pro serials use an extremely high level of encryption similar to what online banks use and they cannot be guessed or stolen. Please don’t download files from strangers and never submit your serial number in an online web form unless the domain is Camfrog.com because it’s probably a phishing website that will steal your serial number. We never ask users for their serials unless there is a problem and only if the user contacts us first. Please review our Camfrog Security Tips page.
November 10th, 2010 at 6:03 am
Admin, Please We need update 6.0 hurry back, Security Thank you help us.
Thank you
Donal
November 10th, 2010 at 6:26 am
thats nice.
When will the camfrog rooms be working?
November 10th, 2010 at 6:32 am
IcedFire
its nice working this is coming soon December Code pro serial new. I hope you welcome to Camfrog Love 
Brother
Donal
November 10th, 2010 at 6:35 am
Icedfire, we are working on something. Sorry for the delay.
November 10th, 2010 at 6:49 am
Admin, please update version 60 Camfrog client how?
Brother
Donal
November 10th, 2010 at 7:01 am
Ok, good to know. After a few days with main room, single, and speak english all down, going thru withdrawal!!
Good to hear they will be back up soon. Is this in connection with paltalk?
November 10th, 2010 at 7:11 am
Craig, Jon, Paltalk (lol)
Lets hope the new prices for these new codes are realistic and reflect on the new changes. Love the reason your using to change the way codes work though.
I personally wont buy any more codes less the prices reflect on the one room one code basis, I will stick to what I have, and keep the profits
My question, is this down to the recent changes, Camfrog have not still metioned in anyway to every camfrog pro user, who actually owns camfrog now, paltalk or camfrog???
Pete
November 10th, 2010 at 8:16 am
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November 10th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Icedfire, the rooms are under attack right now. Nodramauk, it’s correct that Paltalk acquired Camfrog but this change was planned before anyway.
November 10th, 2010 at 9:44 am
So what changes, if any do we expect to see in the future of 2011. There must be some, because Paltalk would now want camfrog to make money rather than loose it.
Maybe limiting room users, will see you sell more pro codes, and maybe cause less DDoS of rooms, which is rife on Camfrog atm????
We any closer to the release of 6.0, this seems to be taking a age atm to be released, teething problems??
Pete
November 10th, 2010 at 9:49 am
No changes have been decided yet. We welcome your feedback.
November 10th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Well I am sure u know I am a Hoster on camfrog, and all I want is like you a prosperous 2011 But we fully understand changes need to be in place for this.
But you need to get the price of codes right, and I believe less users in rooms mean more rooms, and in turn more codes required and sold.
I hope you take this idea seriously, lets be honest most of the busy rooms, just cause emails of drama and bans which camfrog admin have to deal with. Limiting users will I believe not totally stop this, but will help towards creating a better camfrog and environment for all.
And in turn, keeping users, not loosing them.
Or maybe a discounted structure in place for all, so all Hosters get the same benefit, big or small when purchasing a number of codes.
Of course this needs to be financed correctly, but I am sure this can be done.
After all, don’t you agree Hosters bring a big chunk of income to the coffers of camfrog, without Hosters, camfrog would struggle to exist and compete with other chat programs.
Pete
November 10th, 2010 at 10:48 am
I am realy worried about the future of CF since i heard about the takeover. If Paltalk is planing some shit with monthly subscription costs i will say bye bye and sell my server, bot and client codes.
November 10th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Yikes, under attack?! Looks like camfrog survived! Main room is back up. Yippee. Hope the attackers go somewhere else to play.
November 10th, 2010 at 11:19 am
So Admin,
What do you think to my idea, to bring in more revenue then, and treat us all the same, not just resellers??
And as for the DDoS attacks don’t get me started on that, if anyone could find a way of stopping them, they would be millionaires!!!!
Pete
November 10th, 2010 at 11:43 am
NoDrama,
I don’t make the decisions but I am sure the people who do will read your comments and take them into account.
November 10th, 2010 at 11:46 am
this is so sad camfrog have always been able to sort out these doss attacks but now it seems they cant all the rooms are down once again i think it about time camfrog started sorting out a way that people can only have say 10 user names with one pro code and that they could only activate all the names with the same email address originally used and non pro users only one name there has to be a way to sort this and the mac banning system the doss attacks are a big part of users who not just have 100s of names but thousands of names and all this stems from users wanting 1 letter 2 letter and 3 letter nics and someone wanting to look like a hero to his friends …………….look at me i can bring frog to a stand still…….. stupid and childish
November 10th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Good to hear, that’s all I ask, and so do many others who may not wish to post on here.
But there’s nothing wrong withus trying to understand the Logistics and Mechanics of camfrogs minds, but the same as well for Camfrog understanding the Hosters, we want to work together, not against each other.
Thank you Admin much appreciated.
November 10th, 2010 at 11:53 am
I do hope you guys plan to revise the Camfrog Server license pricing once the new policy becomes effective, or we may be forced to jack up our rent prices for customers to cover licensing costs, which is something we’d like to avoid. The client codes seem reasonable as they are now anyway. I don’t mind paying a yearly subscription for discounted server licenses, you guys do need to make money after all.
The bot prices need to be cheaper than the client codes though to encourage more users to buy their own bots, it will help push plugin development since more people will be able to get their hands on one to play with. Maybe modify the server some so red bots cannot be demoted/kicked/punished via room command, only through the control panel. We’ve started work on a user protection plugin for those mass deop/kick/punish attacks in rooms with lots of red users, but the first thing they do is punish the bot
Linux bot needs improvement:
+ changes to conf files while the bots are online are discarded when the bot service is stopped or restarted. Not the linux way in my opinion.
+ /etc/init.d/camfrogbot reload << does nothing at the moment, it just pretends the bot configs are reloaded. Would be nice to put in some code on that event to detect new bots in the camfrogbot.d folder and reload all plugins at the same time. First you guys need to allow editing conf files while they're still online without losing changes on a stop/restart/reload signal.
Allowing us to add NEW bots to the service without having to restart all the bots on the server would be a welcome update, like its windows counterpart.
Other than that, I'm happy too see you guys came out with a linux version, improving it some more would make it almost perfect. We already have it connecting to our MySQL server for storing user scores, questions and answers, room event logs etc. We'll be releasing an open-source python plugin (linux only) for it in a few months, to push development on the linux version
November 10th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
I know what you mean Babsie, it’s all about showing off infront of the mates.
DDoS is everywhere, maybe now paltalk own camfrog, they can come up with a clever idea, like changing ports every so many seconds, limiting users to one name against email, pro users to 10, after all why would you want anymore I have no idea.
Paltalk seems a good stable program, but the program itself is dire, to say the least. The Camfrog program is great, but unstable, and the Admin need to be more strict in the users on registering names and rooms and even banning areas totally, bit extreme, but we know where the problem users are comming from.
So you need to get your head out your a** and act fast, before Camfrog becomes like the Dodo and Elvis..lol!!!
Pete
November 10th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Nodrama, we were working on some things before the acquisition and we will try to implement them soon. I think Paltalk will help Camfrog have a better and more efficient infrastructure in the future.
November 10th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
If that was the reason for paltalk buying out camfrog to put in place a better infrastrucure, then im all for it, as we both already know the program itself is 100% better than paytalk.
And I look forward to you releasing these new security updates, but don’t you think it’s to little to late???
Days now camfrog rooms have been offline, what hope do private run business have, who will now have to pay for over priced codes. Hoping you will improve the security, if you can not even improve your own rooms and personal servers???
Just a question, not a dig btw
November 10th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
well as you know Pete(NoDrAmaUk) i have been doing helias job for a year now with very little help i might add it is not an easy job at the best of times but non the less i have worked my a**s off for camfrog all for free i might add contrary to what allot of people think (babsie must be getting paid a tidy sum for doing this …….yer right……….. that is just one of the thousands of quotes i could give you) yes i could walk away at any time but why walk away from something you have spent the past 6 and a half years helping to build ………….. the point i am making is its about time the mac ban system was sorted and the limit on the nicks was brought in so as to give all the ops co owners and myself a better experience in helping the users instead of banning the w…kers of the room that just come back in in another Nick…… this programme is supposed to be enjoyed by all 13 and upwards and ops are told to encourage ppl to enjoy the programme but how can they when camfrog make it so easy for these idiots to come back here and ruin the experience for most …….its supposed to be child friendly all ages green rooms we need your help as much as you need ours to keep the all ages rooms clean……………… rant over happy evening to all
November 10th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Babsie, you and I know, that I know you more than most on here, we have had a great friendship for years, I even worked by your side for 2 years in 7 rooms, till that was stopped by Camfrog politics.
I know your not paid for it, and know all the Ops and Co-Owners who spends hours and days keeping rooms safe don’t either, and I salute you all for it.
You should be given a OBE for what you have done for camfrog hun, you just want a safe, enjoyable environment like us all, yes mistakes are made, people learn from them, but only certain people get that second chance.
Being a user of camfrog for god knows how many years (I had hair when I started..lol) I feel upset and dissapointed that it seems to be getting less stable not better, and as for the hackers, well, camfrog have made it easy for them, with unlimited names, maybe it should just be pro users only, who knows, but lets hope camfrog have it all in hand, lets face it, it be about flipping time!!.
Pete
Pete
November 10th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Very nice application. Previously had to be done.
Thus, cancellation of license, is prevented.
Will there be a change in the price of Pro licenses?
November 10th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
How else will be new in version 6.0 Camfrog?
Virtual gifts period is 3 months, 6 months may improve, will be very good.
Camfrog Nick : antalya
Camfrog Mediterranean Regional Office Location of Turkey
November 10th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Antalya, we will keep your ideas in mind, thank you.
November 10th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Dear admin,
Camfrog Server version of the innovation process is done by hiding the port will be very good.
Because, come over to our servers from attacks TCP and UDP ports.
Therefore, whether the measures mentioned in the new server version is very well done.
Camfrog Mediterranean Regional Office Location of Turkey
November 10th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
I see what you mean.. no need to come out with version 6.0 without significant changes/ideas to support a major upgrade. I can just think of small things off the top of my head.
A right click/ignore that continues to ignore as a particular nickname pops out and in of the room.
Please, pleas PLEASE implement paltalk’s way of doing audio test in setup, so people know for sure if they have sound or not with their mic (a warning doesn’t do much to help a user solve this.)
Perhaps an additional way to view/sort nicknames, by level: red, green, blue, black.
The server can detect a user texting the same line 5 times in a row and kick. Can it detect the same user taking mic 5 times in a row and kick for that?
November 10th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
@babsie
“MAC BAN” wtf! Do u know what u are talking about? CF never banned a MAC Address. Its to easy to fake it. All what they banned was the windows UIN. You find this UIN in 4 camfrog related files after installation and even a 10 year old with a hex editor can unban his pc this way.
@ NoDrama
I thought u offer DDoS protected servers? If you think “changing ports” can help you against attacks u fail 100%. If u ever got a 50GB attack to random ports u are done. You can change whatever and how often u want. Nothing will help. Its up to u to use flood protected datacenters with a special traffic analyzing to sort out the flooding data packets and null route them.
November 10th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Quick get in fast and buy your all your codes before the 10th weeeeeeee lmao…
Nice move camfrog another silly decision. Why don’t you fix up all the bugs with the software before spending time with this rubbish and make the cost of the codes worth it. At least make the code able to sign in twice from the one ip address for obvious reasons. This will solve your sharing of code problem they won’t be able to give the code to a friend who is at a different place and couples would be able to use the same code when connecting from the same house.
November 11th, 2010 at 12:24 am
Yes, I agree with you, Frogfuzion. There should be license pricing revision once the new policy issued on December 10. That’s what people of “Camfrog State” expect anyway.
On DDoS attack, I do believe that Camfrog has already taken it in mind, so wait and see what is going to be launched on the next updates. No doubt, nothing could be fully yet perfectly done to overcome DDoS attack. But, the idea of ‘port auto-randomizing’ or port hiding strategy’ should be taken into consideration. Reducing the negative effect would be better than absent of effort! Keep progressing, Camfrog.
Nagabrahman
November 11th, 2010 at 1:18 am
Chris,
There is no 100% way of stopping DDoS attacks, Camfrog is a proof of this, the only ways is of slowing them down, company’s that offer a system to divert the bad IP’s, and programs, when possible to get the details of the attacks. But these all cost money, some silly money. But I wont get into a debate over this, because you dare not even use your Camfrog Nick (figures)
Anyways going back on the subject in hand, all we are asking is Camfrog to revise there pricing policy for all, to reflect on the new rule one code per room, name & bot, we will all loose out not just us the Hosters “The Bread and Butter” of camfrog financing!!!
Pete
November 11th, 2010 at 6:48 am
Oh!!!
HOPE NO CAMFROG BIZ ON SALE OR BECOME BANKRUPTCY
COME ON AND HELP DONATION TO MAINTAIN THE CAMFROG STAFF DUTY
November 11th, 2010 at 8:59 am
To be honest I find this ridiculous the action that has been taken , this service is made by its users , if it wasn’t for them , it wouldn’t exist. Room hosters and whatever are out of pocket completely as it will cost them alot more to run them when and if this does come in.
The idea of using 2 on a pro code I cant see the problem with it , 2 of them split the costs and get to enjoy camfrog.
50 dollars is a hefty price for a service which has been over the years quite terrible , Camfrog/Paltalk I found never listened or took a personal interest in their users when dealing with complaints I found it was just alot of automated messages.
I don’t feel it’s as user friendly as it was before to be honest , its lacking on many aspects.
I condone the job the likes of Babsie and the other ops/owners do in Camfrog rooms , but these actions shouldnt go unrewarded , I found it to be complete bullshit that these people take their own time to maintain a decent and peaceful room and get nothing for it , that should be reviewed in my opinion.
For a company making quite a large sum of money through pro codes/gifts(stupid idea imo) and advertising , the users tend not to be seeing the effects of any financial gain.
You can blame is on DDOS attacks or whatever you want but the real cause is human error , not strong enough security systems and whatever else.
On the takeover or upgrade to the whole camfrog experience I’d like to see a more personal touch in the service , look after your users they’ll look after you , it’s a common truth!
LISTEN TO THE USERS , CAMFROG/PALTALK for once!
Regards to the users that know me aswell.
Ian
November 11th, 2010 at 10:33 am
IanMcCarthy_, nice idea and criticism indeed. You tell the truth, dude
But we know exactly the financial scenario behind the policy of “1 pro 1 ID/Bot/server”. On Pro Client, for instance, Camfrog really wants to gain $500 from 10 users, not $250 due to the cost splitting. That it to say, ‘pro deactivation cases due to sharing’ as put above is simply a rhetoric 
So, its most likely far from possible to revise the pro codes price, unless Camfrog LISTEN TO THE USERS based on the COMMON TRUTH you said. “High price demands better service”. That’s a very basic philosophy of fair business elsewhere. 
Nagabrahman
November 11th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Hello admin,
Ask some if you can 1 code activation = 1 nickname connect to server, if you example hacked code and lost code and what now we have protect code ?
We are planned best code new not same code xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or another is no sure ???
Please exactly description , read so hard it blog. Please and understand.
November 11th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Ian, Camfrog is doing there best to keep all the users satisfied. You try running a company with this many people and depending on servers being up all the time.
They do have there downtime, and they do listen to all the users. They don’t always get back to the users but I can assure you they do look into it and take appropriate action.
November 11th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Well you think money taken from gifts and pro codes would be an advantage towards providing better servers.
The downtime is acceptable , but the lag isnt in many of the rooms , its been happening for ages and was never properly fixed , I can understand you’ll defend Camfrog all the time but you have to realise that a service which I myself have paid for isnt exactly fantastic.
In another post I made a point of wanting pro codes refreshed , provided all the evidence as asked and got an absolute shit response , complete automessage , I wasn’t satisfied with it at all. No point in complaining though cause you’ll just get the same response all the time.
Nearly $500 on pro codes and I get a poor response , but this isnt about that , Camfrog/Paltalk really need to tighten the belt with the whole situation otherwise it’ll get worse as time goes on.
For a large company they should have a very high standard of security IMO.
Really needs to be reviewed.
November 11th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Yes camfrog do listen, only problem is they don’t act.
We have been going done this slippery road for a years now, trying to force the one code per room/bot name, and now they will enforce it on Dec 10th 2010.
Well contray to some beliefs, I have alot of friends on camfrog, especially theuser and hosters, minus the jealous ones of course
And we are all on the same wave length when it comes to this subject, but I guess im one of a few who have been able to express my feelings, as I do try to be as diplomatic and constructive as I can.
But many users comments do not get published, they send me the messages they would like to post on here, but for what ever reason. only camfrog can answer why there never accepted by the moderator.
But if camfrog go ahead with this, and without restructuring the code prices, I wont be the only one not buying any more pro codes (see my status, sold out, no space available -200 only).
Camfrog need to start to listen to the hosters and users of camfrog, all we ask is a bit of commonsense, its fine bringing this in, but be realistic and make the price of codes to match the new ruling.
That’s all we all ask.
Pete
Without the money from the hoster, camfrog as well os the hosters know camfrog wil not be able to invest in the program heavly, because there be no money to do it.
November 11th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
And this Blog needs some type of spelling correction program, as I type to bloody quick for my own good ive noticed hahaha!!
Ptee (joking)
November 11th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Admin said: Nodrama, we were working on some things before the acquisition and we will try to implement them soon. I think Paltalk will help Camfrog have a better and more efficient infrastructure in the future.
This statement falls in line with some info I recieved earlier today. Camfrog for now will remain the same. There will eventually be an integration. If Camfrog goes under Paltalks infrastructure then say good-bye to user owned/operated servers. All Paltalk rooms are rented from Paltalk on there servers. And my friends they are not cheap. The lowest I think I saw was like $100 for a small room. So the proserver codes and bots become irrelevent. Now you can open a free room. Only thing is if you leave the room then it closes. So you have to leave yourself in there to keep it open 24×7.
My source for this info? All I can say is he is in Texas, lives on a ranch about 40 miles from my contact on Camfrog, and is the one and only owner of Camfrog. Well, ex-owner. So if Camfrog goes into their infrastructure? Someone with alot of programming knowledge needs to go into the software make some changes and create a new webcam site.
This is also business 1.0 . When the larger company buys the smaller company it starts off ok. With saying stuff like, no we are not planning any changes. In time though the large company takes all it wants from the smaller company, then dumps the smaller company. It simply becomes non-existant.
November 11th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Yogi,
I’m not sure who you are talking to but they are not who they say. We posted on the Facebook fan page that we would take advantage of Paltalk’s infrastructure to make Camfrog more reliable, but we were talking about hosting. There are no plans to change Camfrog rooms where you must host them with Paltalk, it would be technically impossible to host a Camfrog room with the Paltalk system anyway. I think our Camfrog way of allowing users to host rooms is better so it wouldn’t make sense to get rid of it.
Camfrog is a successful business and Paltalk only wants to make it better, not cause problems for it.
November 11th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
Its my belief that this change is not to make Camfrog better but Paltalks way of gouging Camfrog users for more money. Hosts will not buy Camfrog server codes at that price to host one room. As per my previous post make it one code can sign in twice from the same i/p problem of sharing codes solved.
November 12th, 2010 at 3:42 am
I agree with Aussiesly, one code signs in on one IP (same server/PC), or I will not also purchase any more codes at the price after Dec 10th.
I will limit the rooms I Host to 200 rooms, and keep any profits we make, even though I would love to invest in Camfrog as I rate the program highly and would to see it grow.
But I will not work 24/7 to keep the rooms and servers online, deal with drama, DDoS, threats (which I should note Camfrog do nothing about) just to give the profits straight back to Camfrog.
So the Pricing policy either becomes realistic, or they loose my financing, people need to live in the real world and realise, if codes work on one not two rooms, then the prices should reflect this change.
It seems we are going down the same route as a earlier constructive argument we had on this Blog, and Camfrog Admin response to that was, nothing will change and on top of that we (nodramauk hosting) are Drama Queens, forgetting, we are the people who help pay there wages.
All we want is for everyone to be treated in the right way, and if we have to become the spokesman for this, then so be it. We try to always be constructive with our wording, and will continue to do this till Camfrog/Paltalk see the users way of thinking.
We want Camfrog to have a better infrastructure and be a safer place and environment, I think we all do.
But not only the code pricing needs to be revised, they need to do some major changes in the program itself.
Limiting Rooms two 200 (selling more codes)
10 log in’s only per pro (more than enough)
End of the stupid 3 Letter names
End of the IP’s being visual to every red in a room (hackers delight)
And much more…..
Sorry to rant on, but there seems to be a lot of messages not being posted, so I am trying to put there ideas and points of views across with ours
Pete
November 12th, 2010 at 4:09 am
A very miniscule response as you saw Pete from the admin , ducking and diving on failing to respond , are we speaking to an actual Admin of Camfrog or a regular user ”employed” to take all the comments in?
November 12th, 2010 at 4:24 am
Ian,
I’m guessing it’s Craig, he usually controls both the Blog and Facebook, less Paltalk have bought in new Admin who actually listen, or maybe this will happen in the future, we wait and see.
I’m also guessing Paltalk will bring new things in the future, not even Camfrog are aware of yet.
Most new Business’s do this, My real job (yes I do have one, three actually) was recently taken over, and the Share Holders brought in new rules and regulations 3 months later, not even the old MD new about.
End of the day they (Paltalk) now own it, they can do what they please, less it’s in a written contract of course. Good thing they usually always do after the “Honeymoon period” is start making redundancies, and get rid of the “Dead wood” so lets wait and see.
And Craig thanks for adding the Spell Check, new Satin Sheets for Christmas this year??? *winks*
Pete
November 12th, 2010 at 10:18 am
YAA FOR CAMFROG ITS ABOUT TIME MYBE WITH NEW OWNERS WE WILL GO TO A NEW CHAT WHERE HOSTERS CANT RIP OFF THE CHAT USERS AND DRIVEING UP ROOM RENTAL PRICES THE HOSTERS RUN OFF MANY USEERS AND GIVE CAMFROG A BAD NAME NOT ALL HOSTERS DO THIS AND THUS WE HAVE MANY ROOM PROBS WITH CONTROLL PANALS AND LEAKS WITH CODES GOOD JOB CHATS GREAT LETS MAKE CAMFROG LIKE PALTALK GET RWD OF THE HOSTERS AND MAKE FROG MAKE MONEY FOR THE OWNERS NOT THE SOME TIMES NOT SO TRUSTWORTHY HOSTERS WHO RUN OFF USERS AND MESS WITH OUTHER ROOMS AND LOOKING FORWORD TO SOME REAL ADMINS THANKS AND LETS MAKE THE NEW CAMFROG THE BEST CHAT IN WORLD PS IM INTERESTED IN BECOMING A ADMIN IN NEW CHAT IF INTRESTED WOULD BE HAPPY TO HELP MAKE CAMFROG NO 1 CHAT IN WORLD HD_HARDDRIVE
November 12th, 2010 at 10:35 am
of corse the hosters dont want to be out sorced becouse of the investments lol sell your keys now u have notice lol i think the times have changed and the need for a new frog is here and paltalk will make it better hope thay dont leave it the same note room useers are down lets put the money where it belongs to camfrog for runing coasts and inprovements lol just saying hd_harddrive
November 13th, 2010 at 1:45 am
Its about time.
Here Here Camfrog. What you all seem to be forgetting is that first and formost Camfrog is a BUSINESS, not a babysitting service.
Without the funds that come in from Code Sales for servers, bots and Clients, you wouldent ahve a blog to complain and moan on. Infact it was gracefull of camfrog to actualy make this post and not leave you all in the dark. Nowhere in there TOS or AUP or EULA does it say that changes in the way the codes work has to be notified. Only Changes in the TOS and EULA.
Unfortunatly for all of you who are complaining about the cost of server codes and that fact that they will be for one room and one room only this HAS been the same since 2003. I actualy read my origional email i got in 2004 for my pro code which stated nice and clear Camfrog Client codes are for one sign on at a time and should not be shaired. Same with Server and Bot i am afraid….
The thing is your all grasping at straws and have been doing since this blog opened i see no point or need to flood this blog with needless complaints about things that HAVE NOT changed in regards to a companys PRODUCT.
My Question to you all who think Camfrog and its staff are doing a bad job is :
Can you do a better job?
Can you make a Better Program ?
Could your company survive if you sell the product and it be shared by 6 people?
( 6 * 50 = 300 – 50(Origional sale) = 250)
if your any good at maths and have a base interlect into the workings of Accounting then you would see you would be down -$250 from that one sale.
Now My company develops Business website and development solutions so when we sell to a customer we limit our licences usage to 1 domain name just one and it can not be changed…. Is that a bad thing to do? NO the reason why is because again some math for you :
if we have sold one system at €500 (including all the sparcaly things that come with it)
and then that person shairs it with another company and so on 4 more times so in total that software is now being used by 6 times
(500 * 6 = 3000 – 500 (Origional Sale) = 2500)
And there you have it i am down -€2500 just because of product shairing.
i hope i got my point across here not only as a user of camfrog who seems to understand the concept of product sales. but also as a business man who workes day in day out to provide its customers with a product they can use but at the same time protecting my future income.
Playtalk yes is a very strange program to me and yes i am woried about the outcome but at the same time as the Admin has already said…. Camfrog has no plans of changing how it workes to be the same as paltalk.
I look forward to the new inervations that Paltalk brings to the table of Camfrog and i also look forward to the release of the next version. I am sure we will all be in for some new toys to play with.
Thanks for the info admin, though some of us have been following these rules since the begining.
Anthony
November 13th, 2010 at 6:51 am
Anthony,
Without all the mathamatics, and jargon, which I must say was pretty impressive to anyone who could be bothered to read it, heres the basic facts and figures (so any idiot can understand it..lol).
Average room cost per month $20
Average Pro Server $237
My mathamatics makes that roughly about 11 months to make up for original outlay of $237. Some small Hosters on here just don’t have the capabilities to pay for one code and wait for a year to cover that sort of cost, let alone 3 or 4 codes which near enough totalling over $1000!!!!
So whats your point, I am struggling to understand Anthony, Hosters want to invest in camfrog, but I know for one, I will not be going in a minus ballance to do it, and wait 11 months to cover the costs back. All we ask for is a little commonsense.
Discounted to match new rules or a Discounted amount based on codes bought, maybe Anthony could work out you finances to make this pheasible, and Camfrog profit so other chat programs wouldn’t need to buy you out.
I hope I have got my point across Anthony
All I can say without writing my life story of Business ethics is, time will tell, wether with the price hike Camfrog will survive another 6 years, but I doubt it, there’s Hoster’s refusing to purchase more codes, some for what ever reason are not being able to post on this Blog, and to my calculations I have been told 5 large Hosters who have a combined rooms off 1200 are in this list. What happens if someone does create a better camfrog, it would be to little to late simple.
PS: My Blog cost me $40 (less than 1 pro code) a year to run..lol
Please bring spell check back pretty please Craig (with a cherry on top)
Pete
November 14th, 2010 at 10:06 am
You can share a any Pro Code bought before 10th Dec (even though you were advised not to in your origianl emails)
But after the 10th Dec 2010, codes will only work once, and once only bro, im guessing like if you used the old code three times you will be automatically kicked off.
Camfrog’s reason for this is to many Pro Codes were being shared causing codes to be de-activated, bringing Camfrog Admin work to reactivte them, I personally think theres more into it than that, but thats only my opinion.
Hope this helps.
Pete
November 14th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
I think so, my friend Pete!
Yeah.. there will most likely be “Operation Pro Codes” following the 10th Dec policy. Lolz. Shared codes will be invalided after several crashing only, let say, 5 times. 
More severely, I dunno this will be possible or not, shared pro Bots and Servers will be targets of the “purge”operation . If that so, say good bye to 100 rooms & 100 bots of yours. 
But, I hope not. Any comment on this, Admin?
Nagabrahman
November 15th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Pete every business has costs, intact just today I paid out over 6000€ just in software licensing for one of our development projects not to mention copyrighting costs to come soon aswell.
By my calculations to male that 6000€ back I will need to sell 12 systems BUT I also need to pay other bills like developers and techs and support staff so I am looking at over 30 sales just to make back that money without profit.
It is the same priceable for room hosts. The good old business saying “You have to spend money to make money”
In all fairness the Internet can be both a lucrative and expensive area to operate in. In fairness you would be better off renting a shop space and selling spoons. You would make more money in less time.
In my mind camfrog is looking after it’s product and profit margin.
Development is NOT cheap and neather is hosting on the scale camfrog is operating.
I stand by my defence of the pricing and EULA of Camfrog a f believe it for the better
November 15th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
I totally understand what your saying Anthony, and like I say the larger Hosters have spent a lot of money and can cover large overheads (codes / servers).
But I am fighting also for the smaller Hosters, who have some good rooms and clients, I can not see how they will cope with the 50% rise in codes, because really in a way it is a 50% rise as it will be one room per code not two.
I have said before I will love to invest in camfrog, but sensibly, that’s means not spending everything I make just for Camfrog overheads and development. I like Camfrog have put hours, months even years of hard work into camfrog, so people have good, safe and stable rooms.
And trust me with over $8,000 already spent on Server/Bot Codes I have shown my commitment to helping Camfrog and there Developers and Techs and also there Staff (which I must say, I do get a fair backing from, but not all).
Hosting is getting more expensive as it is, due to trying to combat DDoS attacks, hackers and idiots messing with Servers, and this does not come cheap, so let see these Developers help us Hosters if they want us to invest more money into the program, help us to help you.
Pete
November 16th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
NoDramaUK is bad and rip big time and hack plus steal people’s money!
November 17th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
CamfrogRockon use your real camfrog nick, come and tell me to my face or shut the f*** up.
Sorry Camfrog, but thats how you deal with idiots like that, oh love how you let him post his message, but not others who have something decent to talk about, and spend a lot of money on your Pro Codes then again am I suprised…………….not really……
Anyone else want to waste there breath trying to knock me down, but it’s all good, I care not………..
PS: Send your proof to camfrog CamfrogRockon aka-nugget or go and play with the traffic, or better still go to paltalk hahaha!!!!
Pete
November 17th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
NodramaUK, That’s what u are lookin for drama is u use bad word, people will see it.. it not nice also u were not nice to people who steal and rip off.. that which is wrong.. camfrog will have check on ur server and this…
November 17th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Nah not Drama, if you have something to say to me, don’t use the official camfrog Forum u moron, no one is interested. Be a man and use my message box.
Convo closed!!!!
November 17th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Here is Drama cuz u love that word… i am sure people seen that convs… i am here to protect the good people from bad hosting and steal thier money.. sorry, i have to stand up and make sure people see that..
November 18th, 2010 at 5:22 am
You cant even spell, or even right in proper English, so be quiet and sit in the corner, still waiting for you to use your real name!!!!
I’m guessing your a ex Room Owner we closed for either violation of TOS or Non Payment..lolzzzzzz
Plus you best warn the 203 Rooms we already Host on Camfrog there being Hosted by a Rip-Off Merchant, but be ready for some bad feed back, contrary to your mixed up sense of English jargon, or encrypted message, we have a good reputation and service, price and quality. Lets hope we can carry on providing this, depending on these Code Prices.
Anyways, something worth talking about is there any update with the 6.0 release by the way Craig????
And thanks for the Spell Check back Craig, to sort out my super fast typing, but a bit pointless with the above though, the sentence does not even make sense..lol
Pete
November 18th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
NoDrama ,Anthony think’s good,no got beat on PC, non evil will we be relax
) without PC.
November 18th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Anthony, I know very well, I used to Op besides him.
It’s all good Casper, we were having a good debate, till some moron spoilt it.
Hope your well Casper
November 18th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
I host alot of rooms more than u, cuz i only got good deal for people
November 18th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Hense your causing the drama, lets hope your hosting is better than your English grammar skills
I could of guessed u were another Hoster, but it’s all good nothing wrong with competition, not that you obviously are, as you can’t even use your camfrog nick *winks*
Pete
November 18th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
I keep laugh at u…
keep ur talkin runs… winks back!
November 18th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
NoDrAmaUK sir, You make alot of sense in here. And I think the future for Camfrog is hmmmm “on the edge”???? Not until Camfrog allowed the 2 rooms per server code did the amount of rooms explode. And that was mainly due to people as yourself that made that investment to give so many their own room.
Get this. I ordered a room on frogfriends ok? On the 8th of this month. Have not heard a word back. Paid em $63 for the 3 months. It has nothing to do with the money amount. It is that I paid for a service and did not recieve the srvice. So I have had to dispute it thru paypal. When I get my money back I will look elsewhere. And yes I am going to check out what ya have on that great new website.
Last but not least. I think I saw a few people mention that Camfrog was or did not make any money? When the acquisition occured BOTH company’s had been making a profit for years.
And now I must leave my simple opinion’s and get back into the room I usually exist at.
November 19th, 2010 at 2:36 am
Thank you for your kind words, all we want to do is Host, but not at a lost against the time and effort we put into it, we just want to try and provide good rooms at the right price.
I can not comment on other Hoster’s, and it would be unprofessional of me to do so, we just look after what we do, how we do it, and all our Room Owners, there our priority, not the competition (not that there’s many)
Speak to you soon,
Craig’s gone quiet I see, any update on the ideas we have regarding the Codes / Take Over / Version 6.0 etc…
Bring back the Forum, so we have a open discussion board on many subjects please, I am sure some of us will have some good ideas which Camfrog could look into and maybe use to make Camfrog safer and more profitable.
Pete
November 19th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Hello Yogi_Da_Bear,
We have received your complaint at Paypal.
Due an error at Paypal IPN, the system not show up your order to our admins, and cause the experienced delay.
We have refunded the money for you, and I will open your room for free due the next 3 months.
It’s a courtesy from frogFriendsHosting just to say, sorry for this problem.
Regards,
Rafael Ribeiro
November 20th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
A very nice gesture of goodwill Viper. Paypal can cause us Hosters alot of problems, we have also been there, as this is also one of our sources of payment available.
Glad its all sorted Yogi, speak soon maybe
Pete
November 21st, 2010 at 8:10 am
Hey food for thought; I along with many users on this application hate the Script kiddies that find it funny to ddos people. But an idea that may help is the idea of changing the mac ban application to also include small things like hard drive serials. What i’ve done on my servers is have a logbook of users ip and usersnames so if i need to remove them from the server i just add the ID number my server assigns to a user and they can’t get back in (uses the bot application) it helps but it doesn’t help against the DDOs but it does help them from not getting back into the rooms..
Or you can start banning the proxy lists and programs they use to get back on. most of them are running proxys now – a -days.
I am a programmer along with a network tech. I dont mind helping with implimentation or anything else for that matter just hit us up. we have a team of 12 that are willing to help.
just food for thoguht
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:55 am
Tried this???
http://www.camfrog.com/codehelp.phtml