Camfrog Server BETA 5.0 (Windows) Released
Camfrog Server BETA 5.0 is now available for download. This new Camfrog server version has a totally new interface that allows you to host an almost unlimited number of video chat rooms from your server. You no longer have to run multiple versions of Camfrog Server to run multiple video chat rooms.
You can also now manage your rooms and servers remotely using our new software without having to logon to your remote server.
Switching ports on Camfrog Server startup is now easy and it won’t cause problems with the users already in your room. As an added bonus, our early alpha testers have reported that this new software version uses even less CPU and resources than our old server.
Please download Camfrog Server 5.0 BETA and give us your feedback. Please keep in mind this is a BETA release and not a final release.
Download Camfrog Server 5.0 BETA (Windows)
Update: Please note this is a beta test and not a final version of the server software. The old server version is still available and absolutely no changes have been made with Camfrog in any way. We released this software update as a beta version to get feedback before releasing a final version and we appreciate your comments and take them seriously.
Happy New Year to everyone!
December 29th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I got the new Server 5.0 Beta up however I can’t get any bots to connect
December 29th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Leo, we are about to release a new bot, plus we are investigating this problem.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Our new bot will be out tomorrow and it will solve this problem. If bots are important to your room you may want to hold off on trying the beta.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:40 am
I do not like this version of camfrog server.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Antonino, some kind of details would help us probably.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:03 am
From what I understand each user no longer has its web manager account.
I can not find the web templates, then it means that we can no longer change.
If some hacker finds passwords for remote access can put it all offline.
with this version 5.0 beta my clients still have access to the web panel manager?
December 29th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Web interface was replaced with remote console.
You can always disable remote access if you afraid to be hacked or secure your server better
December 29th, 2009 at 10:28 am
The logs are single file for all rooms?
December 29th, 2009 at 10:35 am
For company hosting room that is very bad.
Before each user had his access to the web manager panel and could handle the room, I see that now is no longer possible.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Antonino,
The purpose of this new release was to help room hosting not cause problems. We will keep your comments in mind. Please continue to give other feedback about this new version because eventually the old versions will cease to be available.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:24 am
hi there
looks great and easy to administrate
but what is a remote room ?
and can every room have an own webinterface ?
can i use the old question file use in new bot ?
has the bot the same interface like the new server ?
December 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Mistaagress,
You can use the Camfrog Server software on your home PC to control a room on a remote server, so that’s a remote room.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Create a remote access for each customer and each room on the server.
Not good if you connect from your home PC and see the rooms of others.
Separate logs for each sample room: Room 1 = folder and log1 – room 2 = folder and log2
December 29th, 2009 at 11:43 am
To control single room running on another server just specify its logon name and logon password to connect there (remote access should be enabled on the server). To control all rooms on remote server use “change server” area and then specify server remote access name and password that you set in server options
December 29th, 2009 at 11:48 am
ahh this is very nicee so i dont go on server remote to control
thx for info
December 29th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Good Job guys !!!
I agree with Antonino points regarding remote control.
Thanks Camfrog Development Team
December 29th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
My clients must be self-sufficient to change the room.
If an owner mischief in the room my client has to repair the room by the Web Manager https or another. should not wait for me to fix things.
with this version is not possible, I can not tell my crew to stay 24 hours with a customer.
Camfrog Server 5.0 is good for general administrator, but give each customer the ability to manage access their room.
I am very worried, I have many customers and fear of losing them.
December 29th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
E ‘can provide Camfrog Server for hosting company?
I asked several times to block the remote MaxConnections because this is the problem.
Produce Camfrog Server is suitable for hosting companies that are complying with all’autority.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
I concur. I have a couple of rooms. And personally, I think its easier for my users to access the server to moderate bans and what not via i-net console. And I also don’t care for the remote administration. The remote admin to my server is absolute negative. I will not be implementing this add-on to my server simply because I host other websites and such. I cannot allow such access to my server. Please, before final release. Take in consideration the moderators in this ones and all future release. Bring back the webcontrol panel.
-With Highest Respects,
Rave.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Thanks for your feedback. It ends up that we plan to also have the old server version available with the old UI, we will update it in the next month or so also.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Well i’ll start here WAAYYY Back in the day when we purchased camfrog server pro we where allowed to run “3″ rooms on one key.. (accepted by you) and was insentive to purchase said expensive peices of letters and numbers..
today on beta i notice you no longer are accepting that agreement infact have us down to one key..
I know today your website says one key per room.. however back in the day i speak of where my keys are purchased that infact was not the case.
Another noted item the control panel for users to access and modify there rooms in beta was removed.. perhaps that would be a good tool to keep the server hosts happy considering there about to loose alot of revenu.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
MWT,
Actually when Camfrog first launched the serials had no limitations at all. Then unfortunately some dishonest people would resell their serials and distribute them everywhere so we added a user limitation. Our license has always been one serial per user.
I have heard lots of people talk about a 3 server limitation, or some serials being different, but I was also here since the beginning and I can’t imagine how it was possible unless it was a temporary technical error.
With this new server versions your users can remotely connect to their rooms by downloading the Camfrog Server software, so a web panel may not even be necessary. Please test more and give us your detailed feedback, we are trying to help, not cause problems for hosters. In fact one of our main goals for this new server version was to help hosters.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
What that do “POP” next to username? Is it mean popular or?
December 29th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
It’s the most viewed user in the room.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Well i have been here since the start; and it has always been that way with codes first second for newer ones in the 2000s and older ones where only 3 . And if i recall in the old tos it was written that way aswell either way the idea of keys doesn’t bother me all that much because i was already covered but i do know smaller companies that may not feel the same .. anyways back to the idea of downloading server.
my personal opinion amungst my staff is that the webpanel was better because then they could moniter or edit there rooms from any device Example Iphone. without a worrie.. And us as the hosters can modify the panels to limit access to items like MAX connections ect. to help our costs lower. Some hosters like ourselves figured out to write a batch file to control them changing the MAX settings others have not.
i guess what i’m saying is i dont think the idea have having one logon too see every room is good..
the remote administration as it sits allows me to edit ALL my rooms not just individual ones like the previous aditions of camfrog did.
Also i notice that when the rooms get larger in there sizes its using a bit more ram and i can’t control by QOS as much as i usto however i do like the effort and its on the right track.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
How come when u create a room with camfrog server 5.0 and try to enter ur own room it just spins and then get a popup saying the room may be offline or ther server is behind a router or firewall? What does this mean?
December 29th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
This is my request because hosting companies, duly registered in the Italian State.
Camfrog 5.0 ok, if you change this for us hoster
1) Access to the room for individual customer management, https old system or higher.
2) separate logs, each room has a log (not ASCII)
3) Lock the remote command or option Maxconnetcions camfrog server. (agreement with my client usermax 100 and the client sends the command maxconnections the room and you change the usermax to 2000, creating problems of bandwidth for the server)
Best regards
Thank you for your work
December 29th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
RAZ: thats most likly because of a firewall / router issue make sure you have the correct ports open for you to connect
December 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
RAZ: CHECK IF THE SERVER is under attack FLOOD, DDoS
December 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
hi there i was wondering will the old camfrog server 4.2 stay online as i feel thats alot easier for me i personally think that we as paying customers should have a choice on weather we should change or not i understand the needing to upgrade software but can we have a choice thanks 5.0 is brilliant for new starters but not for all thanks
December 29th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Kermit, I think the old version will be updated so there is no need to worry.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Also I have 1 more suggest…. since some rooms have few red ops. Most of users does ask them who is the top owner of the room etc. So why not add “Admin” next to their name who is top owner of the room? Maybe Limit to 3 to owners? Just a idea
December 29th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
I mean Admin sound not right so maybe better word “Main” as Main room owner?
December 29th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
If it is true you can only use one Code per server you will send many Hoster Bankrupt, and it seems to be the case.
If it’s true there are no seperate Logs, this will be bad to control or check Logs where people have tried to break TOS (IP. get past bans etc) in different rooms.
You say this version is to help Hosters, all its going to do is send the not so financial ones under, does anyone agree with this??
I hope you leave the basics in place Camfrog Server and Bots, because all I can see is Negatives for Hosters and Plus’s for Camfrog making more money from codes!!!
Pete
December 29th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
One thing wiht it can you chage it on the remote part for the user so they can not see the pro key. other then that looks all good.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
How do make sure ports are correct..on the older camfrog servers before 4.2 I could connect…4.2 does same for me..cannot connect..just says activate rooms list cause room may be behind firewall. Can someone help me as how do i know what is correct port. And how can i see if it is under attack..flood..i/m lost
December 29th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Personally I think it’s great that the TOS has been enforced and it’s only room per code now, as we have always done this, and the freeloading server hosters that have been cheating camfrog for so long will get their comeupance.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
hi NoDrAmaUk,
many take advantage of camfrog to make money and instead the taxpayers like me have serious problems.
All my clients have the bill every month and pay my taxes.
There are many who abuse this just to get rich and I do not think is right.
Camfrog should sound out their hosting companies that pay taxes and help them to better manage everything.
Also there are many who attack servers with DDoS and Flood, sincerely do camfrog hosting on a real problem.
I wish to close part of my company is hosting the rooms, but I have more than 100 of the code pro camfrog I do after investing so much money?
December 29th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
HI RAZ
can check the graph of bandwidth.
If you do not have access to the server remotely, perhaps you are floods.
If camfrog server 4.2 Functions also works 5.0.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Basically, unlike others on this post, who wont use constructive critisism to improve camfrog or there sopftware just to make them look gd (not naming names)
Hosters will have to raise there costs, and users will have to move to cheaper chat sites to run there room, bcus for many in this economical climate will not be able to afford it.
Already had people question me about prices, and every Hoster will have to in time raise there costs, even the best ones just to cover Server and Bot Pro Code costs, One per room is a joke two respectable and most could live with.
The Software seems ok, thats not the issue we all have to adapt to changes in our lives but costs are getting out of control to cover Code costs as well as Server costs to protect form idiots all over camfrog DDOS,ing Servers without making it One Code per Room or Bot Camfrog..
I have a link to a site, if anyone is having this problem with DDOS by the way, they are very gd, and people who have tried mine will suffer shortly the Legal way
So is Camfrog running before they can walk with this, time will tell, I will evaluate if its worth spending ex amount on already ridiculas prices Pro Codes or take the Business elsewhere????
December 29th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
For the Record No1 Camfrog Host (love the name btw) I paid £978 Stering Pounds to the UK Goverment last month, bcus everything I do is Legit unlike many on Camfrog and especially some I know don’t which have replied on this Post.
We will see who survives and who does not with the New version, that’s all I am going to say, Room Owners are in for a big shock, looks like Room Prices will be going back up to the old rate years ago £40-50 oh I forgot some already charge this.
May the best and well equiped Hoster win.
Shame, the new version looks good, but there spoiling it with the One Code, maybe when Hosters and Users see the shortfall, or move elsewhere in purchasing of codes Camfrog may re-think, lets wait and see!!!
December 29th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Hello Admin
When will be Camfrog Server 5 (Beta) on Linux?
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I tested no work remote Camfrog Server no work for linux
We hae working on it?
Thanks
December 29th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
NoDrama,
Our licensing agreement has always been one room per serial.
Originally Camfrog serials had no limitations at all, but dishonest people quickly took advantage of this and distributed our serials all over the Internet and resold them. We had no choice but to add some kind of serial limitations if we wanted to stay in business.
I am disappointed that you feel that our Camfrog server software has no value, even though you run a profitable hosting business from it.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
CasperPL, probably in the next 30-60 days.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
thanks info admin
next one questions:
I think we have can use Camfrog Bot on linux sure will be it ?
thanks
December 29th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
CasperPL, Not any time soon, but I hope someday.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
NoDramaUk I didn’t know who you are until I googled you, or why you feel the need to badmouth other hosters.
Plain and simple truth is this has been TOS for a long time, which I suspect you (and others as well) haven’t been following, and it’s long ovedue that this was enforced to stop these breaches.
Your rooms are already that rate anyway.
I also thought the purpose of this blog was to assist camfrog to imporve their software and congratulate them when job is well done, not to just bitch about other people.
I’ve had a thorough look at the software now and I agree with other contributors about the remote access; I think it’s very unsecure and could do with a bit more work on it.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Hello Admin,
I hope you read what I wrote before to stay calm.
Is there a way to mask our IP server, and maybe see your IP address and we will not receive more Flood attacks, DDoS, SYN, Spoof ?
It ‘just that the serial being used for one service.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Antonino, if you know of a way to do this let me know. I think it’s impossible.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
We wont make enough money to buy a McDonalds if you set it at one Code per Room Admin and thats the truth, maximum most Hosters sell rooms at $30 and what is it for a Code $270??? Need I say more.
Were not being greedy, were trying to make Camfrog see sense Admin
It’s a shame im the only Hoster having the nerve to Post on here, while I am sure many others are worried what’s going to happen when the Old version is de-activated
There no point you guys sending me PM’s complaining about this, mention it on here or email Camfrog
I have never bought a second hand code, and have paid over £5,000 in Server and Bot Codes, so why should honest people like me suffer because of the Minority that don’t??
You will just drive the decent Hosters away, it wont be worth Hosting any more, see sense 2 codes please thank you, or watch users leave, because they will Paltalk are already bragging there incresing in users forn camfrog don’t make it any easier for them, you know your program is better than theres, but money talks, it be cheaper and easier paying monthly (paytalk) than $270 in one hit!!!!.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
okay thanks admin
nice and good job! mates team Camfrog.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Nodrama,
Many other hosts follow our licensing and have no problems. In fact I am shocked and disappointed that you would openly brag about violating our software license in a public forum.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Hello Admin,
Please leave camfrog 4.2 or change the 5.0 to run it as 4.2
On my server I can activate so many IP addresses, you can not add camfrog server on which of the IP used for the purpose?
Example: Room 1 IP = xxx.xxx.xxx.xx0
Room2 IP = xxx.xxx.xxx.xx2
is attacked in this way a room and not all
Regards
December 29th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
I just said “I like the Name” chill please, or get a sense of humour and yes it’s about the New Server and Bot Codes
And I have never broke TOS, hense in 3 and a half years only one room I have Hosted has been closed, and no Codes of any description, need I say more, thanks for your input though. I suggest you get to know the competition before you post what you think they or they are not doing, im fighting for all Hosters here not bad mouthing them, and I am guessing you do know me “Winks”.
2 rooms per code is not unreasonable and helps cover costs to buy new legit ones atleast, I can see more problems with people buying second hand codes and causing more problems for camfrog with these sellers selling them to many people, see I look at the whole perspective even a benefit for camfrog, stoppping more work for them and not just my Hosting!!.
Shocking thought I do agree with the Remote, it was way to in secure and please keep the seperate Logs Admin, I will still be Hosting a very long time, even after my little debate!!!
Converstion ends, I will email camfrog from now on.
Thanks Admin, keep up the good work.
December 29th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Hi NoDrAmaUk
Listen, I’m in your same situation and I think Camfrog not want to lose users.
I’m not complaining for Camfrog Pro serial code, even though I blocked 2 codes were used to code server for 1 room for 2 people.
Now there are more than 5 years that I use Camfrog, has always worked to improve everything.
The only thing that worries me is the new version 5.0 and I hope Camfrog take a step back.
My clients have a web control panel spectacular and I do not want to lose everything after years of hard work, I do not care when the problem of the code pro, if you’re a hosting room with the passage of time the money recovered for the code pro server.
December 29th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Violate TOS???, 99% of Hosters can only afford to Host 2 Rooms per Room Code, or would not be able to afford it, I could list about 20 Hosters but wont.
I am dissapointed after the amount of money I have put into Camfrog, you now say I am Violating your TOS.
Never mind, might be time for a change I think as this is getting us no where, or people I am fighting for who dare not criticise and making me look bad or unprofessional
But I never violate Camfrog TOS, or I would still not be Hosting, and are deeply saddened a program I have helped financially and Opped for has said this after 6 year being on camfrog.
Pete
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December 29th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Since I was feel that Camfrog Server 4.2 is better than 5.0 because of When someone want a room, I was try to transfer from room detail such as camfrogserver.conf, banlist.adv, oplist.adv, rooms.conf, settings.conf to new Camfrog Server 5.0 but it does not allow me. I have to contact most of users to give the pro codes to activate their room again.
December 29th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Antonio theres nothing wrong with the current version, we all know why they have bought out this version.
And you don’t need a degree to work it out either.
Maybe Camfrog will do Hosters deals on pro codes, worth a ask if I decide this fantasy over the net is worth it or is money more important than friendship and keeping people safe???
Hacking is out of control, theres nothing wrong with the current versions, its the idiots on camfrog using the software thats the problem which camfrog should be concentrating on.
A forum is for discussions, long as there constructive and everything I have said is exactly that, most related to the new server release (with a bit of humour thrown in)
Pete
December 29th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
NoDrAmaUk, I understand your state of mind, I am concerned and I hope not to lose the work of many years.
Camfrog ask you to change the method of user registration confirmation e-mail.
Now there are too many hackers who steal nick and DoS attacks on servers.
Even if the ban Camfrog enter mac address the same.
There is no real control users who register and I hope that soon the record nick name Camfrog safer and finally throw off users who create problems.
Yahoo chat has closed due to hackers and I hope that Camfrog not have the same end.
By boys, Camfrog is with all of us
December 29th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Theres a interesting point Antonino Yahoo being closed because of hackers.
I hope camfrog listened to that remark, because only so much users of a program and our UK goverment will take before its get made public.
I love Hosting good safe rooms, I just hope greed has not took over, it used to be a family camfrog it’s now getting more like a Shirt & Tie and Shares Camfrog, and they know im right.
Anyways, I can not be bothered talking to a wall, I will go back to my Hosting and think about the future seriously, and alot of other Hosters I am talking to right now are doing the same.
As for banning people, they come straight back, I believe it takes about two minutes from a exe ban, not needed it myself as I do not vilolate camfrog TOS contarary to what has been posted here, people have used all Camfrog Pro Codes like Camfrog Pro, Server Pro and Bot Pro for years twice so why change it now, short of money im guessing.
Camfrog need to make it safer before it’s to late.
Pete
PS:And I don’t expect a apology or expect to get one, I wont be buying no more codes for the time being, just going to see what happens next, I dont appreciate being called a Bragger or a Rule breaker for speaking my mind for not just me but others to, get your own spokesman im done with htis Post!!
December 29th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
wooow super
December 29th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Waiting Camfrog Bot on Linux
December 29th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
PF_S, we will try to do this eventually but it won’t be soon.
December 29th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Admin,
What if that person want change room name, then I was create room name and it will ask to put code it again. To re activation code is really painass. Is there other way to keep the informatin while change room name??
December 29th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Thanks Admin
December 29th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Now I looked in to it how the remote works is it is not for the room owner it for the server owner and that it as if u set up remote it will let who ever u give that out 2 chage all the rooms and do wot they want to all rooms. all that this is now it just a new server but all they have done is take webpanle out and make it so u dont have to log in ur server u can just do it from this
December 29th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
CF server ver 5.0 is telling users that they are Banned from the room. However when they upgrade to ver 5.4 it lets them in. Is this a known issue?
December 29th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
I absolutely LOVE your New Camfrog Server! OMG you have finally done it now! Just when I thought I was addicted to frog enough, You come out, and out do yourselves once again, with this new amazing server, I freakin love it! All the new features are great. To be able to run multipal servers on one, is fantastic! The only downside I noticed, was yes, I cant get the bot in the rooms either…and also, When I make colors, I see it in the rooms, but not in the server, in the server they still look black names. Not much of a bad thing now is it? LOL more so when the bot version of the issues will be resolved tomorrow as I have seen one admin has explained earlier in this blog. That…ROCKS! I am a HAPPY CAMPER! I LOVE YOU CAMFROG! KEEP ROCKIN!<333
December 29th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
- I think the remote room password shout be diffrerent with the logon password.
- You shout separate local server and remote rooms software
December 29th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
I no wot u mean about the password part and the other pluss u see how the logs work it puts all in to one
December 29th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
well well well look what crawled out the woodwork..
This is a blog not a forum lets get that right .. its a place that camfrog use to keep us posted as to any new changes and to receive feedback. Not for full blown discussions or a good moan.
NoDramaUK only have yourself to blame, in my view and I’m going to be blunt if you leave camfrog it would be no great loss from their end. With many others to quickly replace you.. my advice is to roll with the punches and adapt as we all have done in the past.
The wonnabie hackers and idiot users are somewhat of a problem, and should be the first task to be delt with. All we can do as users is provide ideas on what we think may help but at the end of the day this is camfrogs baby and only they know what they want from the software venture.
Idea for camfrog development .. concentrate on the new banning methods, make this place a safe place for users. Make it harder for the wonnabie’s hackers… these are the main reason people are leaving… more trouble than its worth.
anyway keep up the good work cf
December 29th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
I had no idea you can only use a Camfrog Server Pro code once, everyone always told me you can use it twice like regular frog, and now that I bought my own pro code for camfrog server pro, Im still SUPER HAPPY to have it , and I guess if I want another room open for my husband…well guess what? I’m just gonna have to buy another pro code like everyone else. LoL, it’s just that simple, and I have no issues with it at all. I value camfrog and all they have done with changes throughout the 5 years I have been on here. I consider it well worth the cost I paid of 199.95! Thank you camfrog for all your time and efforts your employees have put into making frog what it is today…Really Spectacular!
December 30th, 2009 at 12:45 am
Not sure why people are complaing about the room remote… it works fine and I actually like it being administrated from another user’s PC vs the web panel. Al you have to do to prevent hacking use use a strong alpha numeric password with special characters. That’s a plus in my book
December 30th, 2009 at 3:02 am
What about web templates?
We need web templates, so that our program can control.
We rent servers max. 20 users, 50 users, 100 users or unlimited users.
Where we setting users ?
A log for all rooms ?
December 30th, 2009 at 3:39 am
Agrees with NoDrAmaUk . This new version will not help hosters and will cause prices for room hosting to go up. Many people cannot afford to rent a dedicated server for there one room and the option to rent a room has been a workable solution for some time. I can see camfrog going down hill with this new software. I think camfrog need to rethink this. This is a total dissapointment .
December 30th, 2009 at 5:59 am
Taffy….we all know about you my friend, funny how all the kiss ass’s are you guys, and I also know you do the same with Codes so don’t make yourself out to be a Angel your far from it, If you try to knock me or the Hosting I have built, I will just fight back twice as much.
This will Kill Camfrog, and we will see if I leave, what happens next, I have a few irons in the fire Mr Taffy, I look forward to wiping a few smiles of these faces, especially the ones who are not sucking up.
Now go and DDOS some other Poor Hoster
Enough said!!!
Sorry, Admin but I wont sit here and get dictated by one of the worst users on Camfrog, by my emails you know I fight back!!!
Do not reply Taffy, 99% know about your activities, and you very small amount of Rooms
I see aprroved Hosters reaping benefits here, buy getting cheaper codes from Camfrog (which I know about) and being able to rent cheaper rooms than anyone else. And I will be calling a meeting in defense, we will see how many object to this, less the As* kissers of course
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 6:21 am
NoDrAmaUk, what you say is greet
I am also hosting rooms
But i think the camfrog is not listen to the room hosting people.
They only want to tell the people to buy buy buy.
like the gifts
But what i hope is to keep it in the same way like 4.2
Alot of people are happy now.
they have there own web control. i made a complete new web control for it.
Like in thai and chinees dutch and german we translate the compleet web
I put alot of time in it, but now they take it all out again
And we also put alot of money in it, to buy server codes.
If camfrog is goin to change that to 1 room for every code we have to take down alot of rooms
And i WILL NOT BUY ANY more codes again. Then it is better we and some hosting people are goin to stop with the camfrog.
This week we should have a meeting about this with the room hosting people. about how camfrog is acting towards us hosters.
December 30th, 2009 at 6:29 am
hello, I think that this version is very wrong, though very beautiful .. like Antonio said, you can view the logs, you can ‘make the most control panel, and then the owner of all Gestri server .. now I say now the real problem is the serial, I think camfrogabbia already thought to lower a bit ‘prices, both serials room, h and serial bot .. and just that you upgrade … but with this method is totally wrong …
December 30th, 2009 at 6:37 am
http://www.camfrog.com/multiplerooms.phtml
For those of you Camfrog employees who are new, the
original version of the server was modified to allow 2 (TWO)
rooms per server code. If you need documentation, I can
look for it, I save everything, old TOS / EULA copies, Old
Client and server copies etc. It may take a day or so, but
I will look.
Yes, this is a blog, not a forum. Camfrog needs to reacvtivate their
old forum.
The two room per code was NOT technical error. It was an enhancement.
It was NOT a TOS violation, since it was enabled by Camfrog itself.
The ONLY TOS violation that could be involved here is item number
23 of the Terms of Service.
“23. Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
to generate income in any manner.”
If this is the violation you are reffering to, this is a recent
change in the TOS, only being 3.5 years or so , old. Most of
the bigger hosters should have been grandfathered in, as it were.
Either grandfather them in to allow them to host, or go after
ALL hosters.
Camfrog itself has multiple rooms on their servers. When I ran
SignLanguage, the room had 300 to 450 users in it on average.
The room used 3.9 TERRABYTES per month. Back then, your hosters
charged $0.50 per Gigabyte over your allotted bandwidth. Camfrog
rooms, when large and active are expensive to run.
I asked Jon Hansen early in 2004 why Camfrog did not host their
own rooms, and he told that their hosts would not give Camfrog
a break with regard to their pricing, for purchasing multiple
servers for Camfrog’s own hosting use.
Remember, each Camfrog room is an advertisement to potential
users. If Camfrog had to foot the entire bill, to make it look
successful, you would not be here at all. You depend on rooms
being hosted by people who purchased a server code. If you chase
them away, then Camfrog will have to take up the slack themselves.
That means money.
Frankly, had it been explained that the Camfrog server was NOT
A STANDALONE server, no one would have ever purchased one.
December 30th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Nice Job.. We Wait a New Version of CamfrogBot.
December 30th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Great Post Zoom, we have over last few days been talking about alot of issues, and this is one, I have now just found out this Blog is being Moderated, and many who are backing me are not actually being allowed to Post, now I wonder why that is??
And yes, about time your bought a proper Forum back, to give the people who pay into camfrog a way of discussing rather than Emails where most get ignored, so users have a chance to leave there comments and advice.
I will post this, bcus, llike I said there seems to be a witch hunt out on me, and frankly I don’t care.
I have inputted enough money into camfrog, and class myself as one of the biggest, and have worked very hard to get where I am, not to get knocked down on a constructive argument by Camfrog or the minority of Ass lickers
oCo_ZipCode_oCo : ..
NoDrAmaUk, what you say is greet
I am also hosting rooms
But i think the camfrog is not listen to the room hosting people.
They only want to tell the people to buy buy buy.
like the gifts
But what i hope is to keep it in the same way like 4.2
Alot of people are happy now.
they have there own web control. i made a complete new web control for it.
Like in thai and chinees dutch and german we translate the compleet web
I put alot of time in it, but now they take it all out again
And we also put alot of money in it, to buy server codes.
If camfrog is goin to change that to 1 room for every code we have to take down alot of rooms
And i WILL NOT BUY ANY more codes again. Then it is better we and some hosting people are goin to stop with the camfrog.
This week we should have a meeting about this with the room hosting people. about how camfrog is acting towards us hosters.
oCo_ZipCode_oCo : That i whas try to put in
This guy is still waiting Moderation after a whole day, whats going on Camfrog, go back to the old way like Zoom said, and make camfrog a stronger place to be, not drive people away by greed and making good people look bad (noticed I never had a reply earlier)
Taking in consideration the above arguments, camfrog is the best, and need to invest money in improving, especially aginst hackers and such like, not to pick on the Hoster(s) who are advertising your program all over the net, with there Web Site, Forums, FB, twitter and many more!!!
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 7:04 am
I don’t understand why do you fight about these codes? NOTHING has been changed in Camfrog, why not to use one code on two different servers while it is still allowed? You all have many servers and fight about some software limitation?
December 30th, 2009 at 7:12 am
Well said Zoomshorts.
December 30th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Taffy,
Camfrog can make the control of idiots/wankers easier. All the server and client need do is be programmed to read the processor serial number and the motherboard serial number during the initial contact/connect. IP’s can be changes, MAC addresses changed, but it is real expensive to swap out processors and motherboards that have been banned.
I say ban the hardware, not the user, in effect it will end up being the same, and you can drop the information into a database and search for violator’s hard ware during the login process. Once the processor Serial number or motherboard serial number is flagged, never allow it to login ever again.
It can be done.
December 30th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Hallo Admin…
Will Camfrog Video Chat on Linux?
December 30th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Zoomshorts,
Your posted URL is about allowing multiple Camfrog Server apps to run and has nothing to do with serials being used by two rooms. I posted above why we enacted limitations on serials years ago. Serial limitations were added because people distributed their serials everywhere and resold them.
Nodrama,
I am in US time, not UK time. I was not moderating posts at 5AM this morning because I was not at work yet. If we had no moderation of Blog posts nobody would be able to read anything because we would have about ten thousand posts about Viagra and other Blog spam. Also once someone is moderated they can post again, that’s how WordPress works. That’s why you could post and the other guy could not. I’m sorry if you think it’s a conspiracy theory against your friends.
Thanks, Craig
December 30th, 2009 at 7:27 am
pf_s, maybe someday. It has been technically impossible until recently.
December 30th, 2009 at 7:36 am
Please keep in mind this is beta server software and we specifically released it that way to hear your feedback before we release a final version. Thank you for all your feedback and we will keep this in mind as we make changes to the final version.
As I mentioned before this new server version was made specifically to help hosters, not cause problems for them.
Also I think the old server version will be available for a long time anyway and we plan to update it soon simultaneously with this one.
Thanks, Craig
December 30th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Admin ok thanks info
December 30th, 2009 at 7:43 am
What u actually get sleep Craig, alright for some, I have put hours of hard work into my Hosting, and still will for the time being, but for what, for more greed, the Gifts should be enough to help improve the program, less as I believe is true, most are freebies from camfrog, most thai rooms have large gifts, yet 90% in the room cant even afford Pro. need I say more, something is not right??
When I said Moderated I mean, people on my side, not that I mean it in that context.
Everyone on Camfrog use the code on two rooms, they who say they don’t I will be delighted to prove them wrong, or how could we make profit or even like camfrog invest into the hosting business.
For example:
What are over priced codes now a days?? £133 each!
Room sell for £10-£20 per month, does not make a brain surgeon to work out, what going to happen, people will go for cheaper chat sites and cheaper hosters (camfrog approved or have no rooms till there codes run out)
I have been sent 2 chat sites what I know off, and untill now I will stay on camfrog, but ur making it very difficult for hosters now to survive, well less your a approved camfrog hoster, thats never had the nerve to say a bad word against camfrog, and like I said before no doubt get cheaper codes, hense the cheaper rates.
I feel your missing the point here Craig, but time will tell, your welcome to attend a meeting I am calling, its a constructive one, and be moderated, I will boot them out, as you have no forum. It’s the only way people who agree with me can make comments, without the above agreeing to everything you say..lol.
Sorry for using this Blog for this debate Craig, but where else do we get a say for the investment we have put into camfrog??
Bring back ur Forum and moderate that.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Zoomshorts, not all CPUs have serial number and MB serial can be changed with simple hack. No difference
December 30th, 2009 at 7:54 am
ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG WILL SURVIVE…..STOP THAT STUPID BUSISNESS IN THE BUSISNESS…MOORE ROOMS THAN USERS…….THAT KILLS CAMFROG……….AND STOPS PEOPLE TRYNG TO MAKE MONEY ON OTHER POEPLES BACKS……IF THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY THEY SHOULD DO SOME RESEARCH OR INNOVATION AND STOP O USE CAMFROG AS A BUSINESS
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
to generate income in any manner
And ….. yes………Camfrog needs to reacvtivate their
old forum.
long life to camfrog with out all those vampires tryng to make money on your back…………………….
December 30th, 2009 at 7:59 am
ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG WILL SURVIVE…..STOP THAT STUPID BUSISNESS IN THE BUSISNESS…MOORE ROOMS THAN USERS…….THAT KILLS CAMFROG……….AND STOPS PEOPLE TRYNG TO MAKE MONEY ON OTHER POEPLES BACKS……IF THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY THEY SHOULD DO SOME RESEARCH OR INNOVATION AND STOP O USE CAMFROG AS A BUSINESS
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
to generate income in any manner
And ….. yes………Camfrog needs to reacvtivate their
old forum.
long life to camfrog with out all those vampires tryng to make money on your back…………………….
December 30th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Admin: What i thinks’ going on withe everything is people who have been around hosting havn’t saw the software limiations updates, frankly i’m almost happy its going this way because by habbit i have each code for each room individually however your going to affect the “mom and pop” hosting companys with that way either way you won’t affect me or my company or my companys pricing However we have always been priced high because of the purchasing of individual codes.
so i say this. you keep it the way it is Great for me means more business when the smaller companys go down.
However i do know some of the smaller companies that depend on the way it works.
Do we have a date in which camfrog will force an update so i know when to be prepaired for more customers?
Second comment about the admin panel yes it works for Server hosters but what about the room owners who rent rooms? how are they to monitor and manager there rooms.
if this version works like 3.9X did i ‘ll just pull out my old way of doing control panels in aspx.. however it would be nice if you did incorporate something for them to manage it aswell. I think thats my biggest worrie, is having to micro manage all my rooms again
not Fun!
however either case congrats on your upcomming release of 5.0, keep up the good work and lets make this some happy frogging!.
MWT Networks Corp – Technical representitive 2CA52C1
December 30th, 2009 at 8:00 am
I also host many rooms on camfrog. I would encourage camfrog to reconsider this. I will not be purchasing any more server pro codes until we know exactly what is happening.
December 30th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Nodrama,
I think this is the most drama I have ever seen on this Blog, so I’m not sure why you call yourself “NoDrama”.
The Blog is specifically made for comments and feedback as I posted above and that’s also why the server software released was beta. As I posted above we specifically made this software to help hosters, that’s why it allows multiple rooms with one interface.
Also as I posted above we plan to upgrade the old server software so nothing is changing there. Feel free to get upset with us, however we specifically have this Blog and we specifically released this software as a beta version to hear user feedback.
The comments of our users are not ignored.
Perhaps if we had released this new server version immediately as a final version and blocked the old version I would understand your drama, however that is not what has happened.
Please note as of today Camfrog works exactly as it always has and nothing has been changed in any way.
We are listening to the feedback of everyone and I hope you will be happy with our final release.
Thanks, Craig
December 30th, 2009 at 8:06 am
If we stopped using camfrog to make a few quid, and don’t buy codes camfrog will cease, need I say more Jack???
Gifts was a gd move by camfrog, but pro codes are needed to run a room gifts are not camfrog knwo this.
loving this debate by the way, some interesting facts coming out of it, amazing when someone speaks there mind who joins in, good for you guys, long as its all constructive, I am sure Craig has realised the good and bad points for this new server, and I still don’t understand how this will help Hosters, looks more user friendly yes, but thats about it. Camfrog will suffer also, you need hosters, without us no codes purchased no chat sites, and I can assure u alot of people wont host with approved camfrog hosters because of the amount of rules, and some are silly, they want a hoster who is looking after the users, not there pockets, so where u think they will go, elsewhere!.
And before you say it, I invest my money into my servers and safety from these DDOS attacks (Well except the ones im logging for obvious reasons) I even waste the money buying gifts as a thank you for some rooms I host as a thank you, which they love and I am sure camfrog do, that will cease if I have to go and purchase 40 more codes, I wont I will just go elsewhere with a few friends, it wont be worth hosting no more.
All we want to hear is the 2 rooms per code will stay, and we can carry on doing what we do best, and we will still buy codes, we will sell more rooms, think about it Craig, saying people took advantage, codes have worked on two rooms for along time and no more and you have never had a issue before well till now.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 8:07 am
MWT,
This is a beta version, not a final version. Your comments are heard and we will take our time until we get this right.
Our current live server version is still available and works exactly as it always has, nothing has been changed anywhere. All we did was release a beta Camfrog Server version and ask for feedback.
I would like to thank everyone for their feedback.
December 30th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Thanks for your time to respond , admin thanks
December 30th, 2009 at 8:14 am
If I recall correctly, wasn’t the ’2 rooms per code’ allowed due to people accidentally running 2 remote desktop sessions of the same username, causing Camfrog Server to start twice — allowed to prevent people’s serials from being blocked by accident?
December 30th, 2009 at 8:15 am
You see this as Drama Craig, I rest my case!!!!
Nice post though, just proves what it’s all about, I will now wait and see whats happens.
Have a Good Year Craig
Thanks for replying, I nearly choked on my dinner on your last post.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Macguiver, yes that is true. In fact the original Camfrog serials had no protection at all but someone began reselling their serials so we were forced to add these limitations.
December 30th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Beta version or not, same thing in the end craig, one room per code, and other Hosters u wont be taking my custom I can assure you
My debate is not drama mr camfrog, it’s fighting for others who dare not speak against you.
So call me Drama Queen or Bragger or what ever you like, I host over 100 rooms, i must have alot of Drama Queens has Room Owners as friends, some who use there own codes, your forgetting about them, put there reading this trust me
I wish I could talk about the beta versions craig, but till this is sorted its now deleted untill I see the proper version, and the benefits it will bring us hosters.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 8:26 am
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
camfrog will survive and since day one
you should force your users to buy the pro serial like before and only give a colour green or red to a pro version
there are more license users to be sold than server licences to be sold
And ….. yes………Camfrog needs to reacvtivate their
old forum.
long life to camfrog with out all those vampires tryng to make money on your back…………………….
December 30th, 2009 at 8:39 am
LOL Jack, you get 5 cheap codes for that comment (congrats)
And if people don’t know me they sure do now, amazing how many pm’s im getting on this subject unfortunately 99% being blocked as I dnt do drama.
I just fight for whats right, people either like it or don’t I really don’t care I have also a 8-6 job away from camfrog. And we listen to all our customers no matter if they were hosters or not or small set-ups and don’t make snide remarks back, it’s unproffesional, but I expected nothing less.
Plus all the ones replying on this post, I knw of you all, maybe you should keep intouch with the competition, because none of you are making yourself look professional just as i call them “Suckers” because most know what you have done in the past or present, im glad ive always been Legal with everything I do, and don’t shy away behind a program on the Net.
Good luck with the Beta version, but you get no input from me, while my constructive comments get knocked down by a Moderator, shame as being a IT Systems Tech, I would love to help out.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 8:39 am
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
December 30th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Nodrama,
“you get no input from me, while my constructive comments get knocked down by a Moderator”
Your posts have not been moderated in any way by us so I am not sure what you are talking about.
More drama?
December 30th, 2009 at 8:46 am
CAMFROG as not conpetiton juste blood sucker tryng to make money on they back…….
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
December 30th, 2009 at 8:51 am
OK seriously pls admin do you know anything about a client version for linux ……..
CAMFROG as no conpetiton juste blood sucker tryng to make money on they back…….
December 30th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Jack i think the issue is cost verse break even. the reason why people are comlaining is because there is a high cost in runnning A or Many rooms wiht camfrog regardless, for most hosters to break even they needed to have a multiple of rooms. I think thats what noDrama is trying to get at, that it is not \cost effective\ at the end of the day its ultimatly camfrogs decision on what they do with there software and as for the \non comercial use\ if they didn’t want hosters hosting there program they wouldn’t be releasing a server addition and to even break even with most room hosting you need more then one room on one server.
December 30th, 2009 at 8:54 am
NoDramaUk
Dont pretend you know of or about me, you dont. As for DDOS-ing servers thats your department. END. (not waisting any more time on you)
As a software developer myself I see the improvments been made and try helping in areas that I know.
everyones aim is to make a profit and I’m sure their will be a simple solution to suit everyones needs.
December 30th, 2009 at 8:56 am
I thought a lot about the problem with Camfrog Server 5.0
If you leave this version is required to separate the log of each room. (For client controls and police)
Enable the option for a decision on which directory server to store files for each room. (Banlist, oplist, etc etc)
Add the Web Access https interace customer equal to version 4.2
I do not think it is correct that the customer must install camfrog server computer to handle the Room, but my clients come from other PCs on the panel web interface and manage the room so that you do not need to Camfrog server installed.
NEWCAMFROG CLIENT: respect camfrog client must register and CONFIRM bye e-mail or other.
Send a copy of registration that you are a hosting company to 100% in the drafting of Camfrog and respond to our emails. I sent many emails but I have no answer.
Activate a channel of communication for us hosting companies.
Regards
December 30th, 2009 at 9:00 am
It’s ok Craig the decent hosters and users are pm,ing me interesting facts and ideas Mr Moderator, only people listening on here are the “Suckers”
Who basically hide behind the Net.
I have alot of backing on this, call it what you like, the real hosters knw what this new version is all about. I will just limit rooms and buy no codes, like 6 more im in conversation with, wonder how much that will cost camfrog.
This is a great debate (and not drama) please continue, maybe I should pst some of the im,s im getting you might be slightly concerned then, I had no idea how many friends and decent hosters are out there till now.
Wow mr popular for speaking my mind thanks guys.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Prove it Taffy and my so called activities, ever heard of Defamation of Character, I suggest u google it.
I suggeest you don’t listen to idle gossip with out proof, thats how I work.
I know u helped camfrog with a perverted room a while back, to improve the software and congrats for that, hense the title “Suckers” which now that room is very quiet, I wonder why…NEED I SAY NO MORE
Now whos causing drama, moderator please open a new Blog, one for the beta Bot bored of this one and the “Suckers” on it ty
Promise I want cause so called drama on it. I just speak my mind in life and always will, sorry you see it this way, if you actually new me, you would see I mean no harm.
Next…..
December 30th, 2009 at 9:11 am
I really like the 5.0 server, the interface is nice and clean, and easy to use. Much easier to change server settings all in the same window. The remote interface is awesome. It’s secure, you can’t change the server password remotely, so that is cool.
Running multiple rooms from the same window makes things a lot less cluttered as well!
I do agree though, that maybe have a second remote username/password, so a remote user doesn’t have to have the server account’s password.
Overall, keep up the great work Camfrog!
December 30th, 2009 at 9:12 am
i suggest that the ones who cant afford the change if we provide all of our recipts and other information i think we should try and get a percentage of what we have paid on codes back im not trying to insult camfrog i have no intention on doing that but i speak for some smaller hosting companys like myself and i have thought alot about this i will be one of the ones leaving if i cant set up the new budget. so admin can u suggest this to your team thanks.
December 30th, 2009 at 9:14 am
MWT Networks ok but for pleasure not for business and all the shit coming with it
like DDoS and Flood attack on the server
all those attacks are made by those room providers to prove they are the best
CAMFROG has no conpetiton juste blood sucker tryng to make money on their backs…….
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
December 30th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Kermit2k8,
How many remote servers do you have? If you have more than one remote hardware server nothing has changed at all even if we forced everyone to use this beta.
December 30th, 2009 at 9:30 am
why……. you wanted a blog for the of pimps of camfrog………… lol…
CAMFROG has no conpetiton juste blood sucker tryng to make money on their backs…….
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
December 30th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Kermit good idea, wonder if they would refund my £5,000 back, and I don’t class as myself as a smalll hoster either, iv’e worked hard to get where I am in just over three years. I have knwn you a while, and believe this new Server version, is great with the new Interface and the other ideas, but the simple fact is, it stops people using it on two rooms, where most hosters will loose out and probably go under or move elsewhere.
Can I have 90% refund, I need it to invest in something else, who might actually look after the serious investers in the program and there codes, rather than try to knock them dwn, and classing this as drama, when im trying to save some people from not loosing all there money they have invested in Codes.
With out Server and Bot Code sales there would be no camfrog, there the simple facts, hense they introduced it.
So far there are seven hosters i have spoke to and combined have in the region of 500+ rooms, someone is not listening to the people on this.
And to busy trying to justify a reason for the new releases to come in the new year, if it’s to benefit hosters, I would welcome it with open arms, put it’s for the benefit of shareholders.
These should be your priority:
Hackers are everywhere, and when you get your codes taken, takes for ever to get them re-issued or changed. they should stop the links in im box’s and the main room full stop, that way people can not click on links, yes theres a option, but lets be honest alot of people on camfrog only just know how to set there cam and microphone correctly, let alone find there setitings!! (of the subject a bit, but was getting angry of the blindness to the issues in hand by certain members of camfrog and users)
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 9:46 am
At the end of the day Camfrog can see how many rooms are hosted and on what codes by the logs on the central server. There is a simple fix for this beta that will avoid all the problems for hosters.
Allow the use of the same code twice this should be done as it has been allowed so far….
Allow control panels for each room…
Problem solved.
If you really want to help hosters this will be the way to go. Otherwise there is no point upgrading.
December 30th, 2009 at 9:47 am
All type of Camfrog serial can use only for 1 ID. It warned when you bought.
but Camfrog system allow to use 2 , it not mean the rules change, the second chance it in case of your accident so your room will not jumping offline and not easy to be invalid, this is adventage…..
Now, Camfrog Said 1 room for 1 Code , it normal , Camfrog always say this , no change…. And I think you can use 2 it’s up to you…
but one day camfrog can chnage to 1 completly , they have right to do this…
December 30th, 2009 at 9:47 am
i have one idea why do camfrog not do a professional version for professional people who are trying to make money on their software with a special registration like the web interface
Like that those vampires could claim they are profesionals,
like 5 time the price and probably they will have no time to flood other peoples servers and like that they will invest to make money and they will not pimp Camfrog…………………….good idea
CAMFROG has no conpetiton juste blood sucker tryng to make money on their backs…….
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
December 30th, 2009 at 9:52 am
NoDrAmaUk Says:
December 30th, 2009 at 9:08 am
[quote]
Prove it Taffy and my so called activities, ever heard of Defamation of Character, I suggest u google it. [/quote]
I suggest you practice what you preach, and re-read you’re other posts.
my room and how its doing is irrelevent, you are only making your self look the fool here .. please keep this on topic and act like a grown up.
——————————————–
I’ll wait I think untill the full release of the server and bot comes out.
December 30th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Dear Admin,
we wrote and wrote and certainly you’ve read everything.
I would now like to hear your conclusions you can read your own thoughts?
Best regards,
A.C.
December 30th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Well good look when they do faison, see what happens glitch or not, Pro Codes are way to expensive to make hosting profitable simple already.
Two rooms were more reasonable, one is a joke, and will make people leave hosting and probably camfrog to!!!
Next your Camfrog Pro Code will work once only, whats next charging Server Hosters Income Tax?????
Like Aussiesly has pointed out, why change it now, one reason I can only see, more money, theres no other reason, it’s not to help hosters or the users on camfrog that’s for sure even though the new Interface looks pretty smart and user friendly, minus a few hic ups hense it’s a beta version.
Hense we all might as well look for cheaper options!!!
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Antonino,
I guess the conclusion is that we will read your comments carefully and make a decision and release a new beta in early January. As of now everything is always as it was, so I hope some users will not jump to conclusions before waiting for our final release.
Beta means testing and that’s what we are doing. Our normal server software is available as it has always been and in fact we plan to update that version soon where it works exactly the same as it always has.
Thanks, Craig
December 30th, 2009 at 9:57 am
camfrog exist because of the clients with the pro version client like since day one and not the hosted because is ilegal
CAMFROG has no conpetiton juste blood sucker tryng to make money on their backs…….
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
December 30th, 2009 at 10:03 am
admin do you know anything about a client version for linux .????
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CAMFROG has no conpetiton juste blood sucker tryng to make money on their backs…….
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
December 30th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Honestly, me look a fool, infront of who, the small amnority of “Suckers” trust me I will sleep tonight just like any other night, thanks for the advice though Taffy, for what it’s worth
But my im,s say it all, shame alot don’t have the (excuse the punt) “balls” to speak out on here, but you have all paid for over priced Pro Codes and theres no forum, about time I let a bit of steam out, ive been quiet to long.
Dam I look forward to going back to work, spent all day on here talking to myself when it comes to camfrog, but it’s been fun seeing the few people I expected to post replies on here, and the ones who don’t shame on you!!!
Oh by the way Taffy, ur digged first I suggest you read up!! Im happy to reply to your poor excuse of a reply, just incase you cant remember it’s below
“NoDramaUK only have yourself to blame, in my view and I’m going to be blunt if you leave camfrog it would be no great loss from their end. With many others to quickly replace you.. my advice is to roll with the punches and adapt as we all have done in the past”
Need I say more, plus I believe I have achieved alot more on frog than you have, so no one is listening, well of any importance anyways.
And your not being called Drama Queen, but ive been called alot worse, and actually I am still here better than ever “Sticks And Stones” nothing more nothing less.
And heres a saying for many replys on here, which is what it’s all about, lets be honest “jelousy is a bad thing in life – can make and break people :
And camfrog should thank me for the amount of over priced codes I have purchased, well till now.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 10:10 am
hosting should not be profitable….. for pleasure only or buy the web interface
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
some people have difficulty to read english…i repeat and repeat…….Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only
December 30th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Thanks Admin Craig,
Discourse here has gone much your request for feedback about the new version of camfrog server, I’m glad you hear our demands.
the discourse of pro serial is not my responsibility or other users, run the best interest of Camfrog.
I wish you much happiness for the New Year 2010 to all.
Sincerely,
Antonino C.
Italy
December 30th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Its only greed ……. NoDrAmaUk you try to make money you dont give any presents to anybody…… only greed ………….what do you try to make everybody believe…you greedy b*****
Camfrog exists and will survive without you……….and nobody force you…..
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
December 30th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Why would I sit on my Lap Top day in and day out while in my real office. Looking after 15 Servers, 133 Rooms, 2 Forums and 3 Web Sites and purchase expensive codes and DDOS protection for my servers just to fill camforgs pockets, and not to make some Money, get real.
Theres making money, and theres being greedy, im not the latter!!
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
There I will help you Jack, not that anyone is looking..lol
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Ok ….. NoDrAmaUk …… DDOS protection that is the real problem….
because other people want to proove they are the best host…….
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
December 30th, 2009 at 10:49 am
lol nodramauk, I wasnt having a dig at you, it was an overall comment on what you was called and how you are precieved by others.
I see where your coming from but dont agree with what you want, its that simple, the way I see it is that your type of hosting has had it to easy for to long, its like this.
whether a room is full with 2000 or 10 users the price should remain the same because you have the server software installed.
Its nothing to do with camfrog in regards to how many you have in that room solong as you paid the price.
Now their alone is an idea
which helps both hosters and camfrog.
Indervidual pricing for the amount a room holds
December 30th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Hello admin camfrog! I tried the new version of camfrog server, I found some problems that I think could be solved. The problem is when you put online the room on windows server 2003, does not save the settings camfrogserver room. Basically when you restart the server do not remain saved passwords. Instead, Windows 2008, Windows 7, or view everything worked perfectly.
I had also requests if you can upgrade camfrog in this field.
1. Can put a banner of the site of entry of the room in the room, such as publications, including the message of the day.
2. We also want the Linux version of camfrog server.
3. We also want the bots that can run on Linux.
4. We also want camfrog server, they can be translated into other languages, from what I gave him a look could not be such a thing.
For the moment this was all, thanks for giving me the chance to write these words. I wish you a good job
Regards.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:27 am
alberto81,
Thanks for your feedback. Localization (different languages) is important, and once everything is finalized we will probably localize the final Camfrog Server/Bot versions.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:48 am
I know the Admin said the New Bots will be available for download today, and I dont want to seem over excited or impatient…But will they be out soon?Ok yes I am super excited I admit it, I got ants in my pants already, lol, I guess Im trying to say I really Hope they will be available soon…because my fingers are trigger happy all over my keyboard, just waiting to click on a download button lol rofl. I know I know,I am soooo addicted to camfrog…Anyways, ty so much and I hope the bots are out soon today. Ty for all your time and efforts.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Wonda, The bot is delayed. Hopefully it will be out this week.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
admin wanted to ask but if the new version comes into operation codes will cost less?
December 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD becouse i know off 3 hist on camfrog what get users two give there code host there room for 30amouth then the same code on 2end at 30pounds tos say that for the lost 2yaers from what i now off that it only for 1 room so why would you try to go be hide camfrog back all this drama just becouse it time to sick to the tos and for them ehat dont like i sore camfrog still be here if you left all not becouse more come all the time and loads off server hosting on here what say yes two 1 rooom 1 code
December 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
As for private even for spending increases hosting .. so is not useful to anyone new camfrog server
December 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
i want to ask admin my friend nickname >9_1< disabled by the Camfrog administrator??
thanks
December 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
sorry, mistake in the Previous response :
i want to ask admin why my friend nickname >9_1< disabled by the Camfrog administrator??, i want to know the reason
thank you
December 30th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
mybe becouse off this If you do not logon to Camfrog for 6 months your nickname may be deactivated …
all 8. Camfrog reserves the right to remove or disable any profiles or video chat rooms that in Camfrog’s opinion violate any of these Terms of Service, or any term of the accompanying license and/or agreement.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Ahmeds, our billing company reported you for a fraudulent purchase so you were banned. This means someone bought something using your nickname, then the funds were revoked due to fraud so we never got paid.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
and for them who not happy about camfrog 1 room a code think aq bout this none off you who host more then 50 rooms becouse you all say i the best host on camfrog but you do not pay anly taxt at all so if you saying your running a bisnis sord pay taxt so be for you get mand a bout it think you all doing taxt fraud
December 30th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
LOL, says a hoster, ops sorry ex hoster that failed at every attempt
You have no idea of business and costs involved, so you have no iinput in this discussion, oh sorry I mean Lee
Is anyone really going to have a decent come back on this post, it’s getting boring now, go back to the Dole lee like most on camforg like doing, when they should be out there getting a real job!!
I thought u was alright person Lee, but ur a “Sucker” like the rest.
Next…….
December 30th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
My opinion… Since Camfrog change policy as one code per one room…… for 200 dollars a room code? what wrong with 1 code as $100? sound like fair and reason price.
Camfrog Client pro code – $50
Camfrog Bot – $100
Camfrog room – $100
Sound like it is reason price. I hope you change the policy for it.
FYI – I AM NOT HERE TO AGAISNT.. I AM HERE TO EXPLAIN MY OPINION! THANK YOU
December 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
For the record, I declare everything, shows what you knw, over £900 last month I paid to our delightful goverment
Somebody reported my hosting few years back, and everything we do is Legit now, unlike you and othesr i can mention, report me, see what they say.
Stop moving away from the discussion in hand Lee, and try to make sense as well, that helps.
How many times have you been banned of frog by the way, ive lost count, you would not know what honesty was, if it bit you on the ASS!!!
December 30th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
your funny we see if your stillhosting after there do what there got pland for the next one your pisst off becouse you now you not et as much money as for hosting i stop becouse off users like you who get room banned for note becouse there top get a life it only a chat there more to life tha this and i not on dss i work for my salfe gardening you send you host your room on same codes 2 times yes then it not be long be for there stop and you thoughti was alright person i am but i think it be beter like this get more users who wanner start hosting room s and you have me added im if you wanner give shit becouse i haveing my say
December 30th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
For once Taffy I agree, room numbers was never a issue with me either.
Rooms should be limited by camfrog, 90% are empty sitting on a £133 pro code neither I say more. And more users higher bandwidth , higher server costs, DDOS protection, costs soon mount up. And not all rooms are sold at £20 a month GARDINER just for your informatin, especially if this new rule comes into place in the new year it will increase by quite a few ive already spoke to, so normal users on camfrog will suffer also.
Sorry Taffy, miss interpertated what you said, but you must admit, alot about camfrog is now about money, with the gifts and now codes.
If you talk to me like a adult,im 35 just for the record I will respond, try to shout and knock me on a Blog, I will just sit here and admire the pointless conversation.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
admin,thank you for your reply, but how i can restore the nickname?
thank you
December 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Wooosh, sounds like party here !
Anyway, I just want to say one thing. The new interface and features are really nice. Perhaps some hosting company miss some features, but I’m sure some kind of compromise can be set into the software. Do not forget Camfrog said it is a BETA, so it means it’s still time to adjust things. War and drama will not solve any problems. Some have paradoxal nicknames…
December 30th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Oh I will still be hosting Lee, you don’t get rid of us that easily, just limit my rooms, and purchase no more codes, so I wont loose out, less overheads, I will just look after my good rooms and clients only, 80% have been with me for over a year or two now.
And as before make it a hobbie, looking after my friends in the process as they know im a good safe hoster, and waste no more money on this.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
I’ve been doing some quite in depth testing on our servers and have been following this blog with some interest at the same time.
I love the new beta version, and have found it really useful particulary from a server hosting perspective, and much improved from the 4.2 version.
I think it would be perfect if the web interface could be incorporated into the final release.
December 30th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Its Really Simple Camfrog Forget What You Are Thinking And Just Leave As Is
December 30th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
OK here goes to date, all hosters apposing thsi one code per room rule:
nodramauk (60 codes)
uksolutions (5 codes)
aussie hosting (40 codes)
GLC hosting (10 codes)
Black hosting (25 codes)
frogcore hosting (5 codes)
Camtochat hosting (13 codes)
giggles hosting 94 codes)
The list goes on…………
Wake up camfrog, they can not all be wrong, whats going to happen if we all stop buying codes and thanks guys for your backing on this rule they will bring in, in the new year when the full version comes out.
You will still survive with two rooms per code, and all the above will carry on buying codes, but bring this new rule out Beta or not, it’s going to be interesting to see how much revenue you will loose, none of the above will buy more codes on the principle, and to be blunt it’s a “Ripp Off”.sorry but it’s true.
There alot of people, hosters and users on camfrog worrying about room prices going up, becauase at this rate it will happen, people like hosting with these guys,me included but only so much people can afford especially in this current climate.
And ive still seen nothing contructive from camfrog on this subject, except there comment “were doing this for the hosters” yea right, that why so many are angry and feel they are going to loose all the time and effort they have put into hosting and advertising camfrog to be priced out the market???
They needed a spokesman, and I am happy to be that, christ I have management meeting week in and out in my real job, so this is natural for me, to help others who need it.
Funny thing after all this , I will still host rooms, but some wont be able to with the increased server prices, DDOS protection from the morons on camfrog (mainly other hosters) and now looking like a 50% increase in code prices, which this basically is.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Yes this is all true i have been speaking to my customers about it at the end of the day they don’t want to end up paying stupid prices just to have a room to hang out with there friends and have fun if you change this camfrog you will be gettig rid of all the nice small friendly rooms that come on camfrog every day buy pro to hae fun and be opening camfrog up to all the big sex crazy rooms what my self hate sex rooms and will never go in them its just sad a load of people jerking off Ewwww my self i don’t host them i host nice friendly rooms where people join together as a family and chat about the world by doing this code change you are going to be braking up them nice good familys created by the rooms they host
December 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Ok now after waiting over 24 hrs to get aloowed to post here and my other post still not allowed i will repost it now here is was i also said before
TazFrogCore Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
December 29th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Ok I have read all the comments posted here and I see a lot of hosts see things in there own way and I see you admins have blind folds over your eyes.
Ok here is what I think about your new camfrog server
The new admin control very nice I like it all together 1 program to run all rooms good job.
I see you have taken out the web control panel and replaced it with remote access for customers to download your software and connect to the room to control it this I do not mind but a lot of stuff needs to be changed in it.
This maybe a lot to ask of you but if you really want to help the hosts of camfrog then you may take this in and at least think about it.
At this moment with the beta you have customers needing to download camfrog server what can be confusing for them as us hosts would need to tell the customers how to use it how to add there room as a remote room as they may try adding it as a local room and putting it online on there computers what is not a good thing
Could you make a program just for the customers so basically you will have camfrog server software for the hosts and client software for the customers so it will only show remote rooms like your camfrog client you just sign into your account but made for room control only.
Also I have tested the remote room control you have made for customers in the camfrog server and I have noticed when you click on “Profile” at the bottom it shows the serial code being used as a host I don’t want my customers seeing this as I think every other host would agree.
I see others have said about customers changing there user limits what can be a pain in the ass so maybe you could help us with this on the remote room control could you just remove the option to change the user limit so only the hosts on the server can change the user limits.
On the Logging side of things Yes please do set them to there own folders I see in AppData/Local/Camfrog Server you have all the room folders I.E. AppData/Local/Camfrog Server/Camfrog so could you not just save all the logs like they are now in AppData/Local/Camfrog Server/Camfrog/logs or something so its simple.
I have also noticed that our clients can only sign in to the remote room with the password the room is set to what is not good as it could result in room names being stolen by co-owners of a room if something may go wrong with the customer and there owners as most rooms allow there co-owners to access the control panel if they are not around and something needs to be done.
So could you add an option to have there own password to login to the remote room control so nothing like that can happen.
I think that is every thing I can think of that needs to be changed with the new camfrog server.
On the server pro code side of things I have never heard any thing about it being limited to 3 but I no right now it is limited to 2 rooms being on at a time now it has been this way for a long time I understand what you admins are saying about people taking the piss when it was unlimited but its not unlimited any more forget about it ever being unlimited it is set to 2 rooms on 1 code every one is happy with this and for the price we pay for it I would expect to get 2 rooms on 1 code if it was not 2 rooms I would not buy a code I would not waste my time if you really are going to keep this 1 room per code then you need to give your customers another code to replace the loss of the codes we already have and bring down the price of your codes if you really expect hosts to pay all that money just to run 1 room the price to rent a room is going to hit the sky the prices was high before and slowly went down as hosts made the money back on the codes now if you set it to 1 room per code camfrog is going to fall prices are going to go up if you really think about it what its like £150 GBP to get a server code
for the prices we host rooms that make camfrog what it is taking out server costs it would take 4 or more years to make the money back on 1 code what is just crazy you will be crushing camfrog by changing it to 1 room per code and you will be losing business your self by making hosts go under losing rooms losing camfrog users bringing down the amount of people buying server and client codes so by doing this you will be effecting your own business.
I see you stated (Many other hosts follow our licensing and have no problems. In fact I am shocked and disappointed that you would openly brag about violating our software license in a public forum. ) I don’t know where you get this silly info from but I can tell you now EVERY host runs 2 rooms on 1 code no matter what they may say the fact is EVERY host dose it so take off the blind fold and see it with your own eyes just leave the codes the way they are we are all happy with the way it is just leave it at 2 rooms per code at the price you are selling at and we can all be happy.
So there you go that is what I think and I must say if you can pull this off you would of done a great job and we would all be very thankful so well done camfrog you have moved on a long way and if you don’t mess this up now you will go on even more
Regards Taz
December 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
I don’t host the sex crazed perverted rooms either Taz, I leave that to the hostesr who think hosting these will make them something special over the net..lol
I also host 80% of quiet rooms for friends and family, and I thought that’s what camfrog was all about, making friends and having fun I do wonder now.
Rooms should be limited anyways, and I have always said this.
Good post Taz, and my customers are all saying the same.
What next if this does happen, gifts to increase by 50% and last 1 month again..lol
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I have just read your other post Taz. all I can say, and sum it up in one simple word.
“Excellent”
I wont give any feed back on the Beta versions till they retract this one room per code rule, and i will fight for ever hoster on camfrog. who like you say will all be hit where it hurts. Mind you long term it will olnly hurt camfrog, most of us will jsut probably walk away, and camfrog will loose revenue for around 100-200 codes a year.
I host rooms on peoples own codes, and my god are they pissed with all this, all I can say is they need to wake up, we are there bread and butter, without hosters camfrog is nothing.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Thank you admin…Sometime this week is still pretty great. Thank you so much and I look forward to getting my new bot downloaded and installed, im so excited to start using it. Thank you to all admins for all your time and efforts, and I have to say I really do love the new camfrog Server. I think tazfrogcore is upset because this new server makes it easier for people like me to run the server straight from my pc without issues, since i only have 10 people or so in there, and that makes taz obsolete. More people can run it on their pc without issue and not have to waste their money on server hosts and instead use their money to buy more of your wonderful bots, and gifts and other items from frog. Love you all and thank you again for all your hard work, its greatly appreciated.<333
December 30th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Indeed without us hosts camfrog is nothing all of us made what camfrog is today even the small ones like me i don’t give a crap i’m not a big host i like being small i do it as cheap as i can just to cover server costs as i don’t do it for money i do it for the people and friends when i first started my price was high as i got more customers my price go down and down as all i need is the money to cover server costs stuff profits i don’t need or wants profits but at end of the day i still need to cover the server and cutting down the codes will mean all price go up and people leave camfrog simple as no point beating around the bush over and over
Camfrog Listed Up New Camfrog Server ( Good ) New Code Limit ( Mistake )
December 30th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Wonda i think you have the wrong end of the stick if you really think this ( More people can run it on their pc without issue and not have to waste their money on server hosts ) you are in wonderland this don’t mean people can now run it on there home computers without a problem and no lag do you have any clue what you are even talking about
December 30th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Interesting post Wonda, you been on the Wacky Backy again..lol
With out Hosters, camfrog rooms would not run, most PC cant handle 5 users or more let alone 1000+ that’s the plain and simple fact, I suggest you read up on the basics of hosting and why we do what we do.
its so you guys can have good rooms, with out the morons that hang around on camfrog, I try to make sure all mine are safe, and even close ones who are not.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
this all makes me laff camfrog been gold digger wankers from wot i see and ady STOP the brown nosing dnt suit ya only reason ur hosting ady is the fact u arse licked some1 to buy in on server to get u started as u niked / given server pros ur just a wanker ady plan and simple and nodrama is right on wot he is say i dont see y u ADMIN has to bit bak so much the truth mite hurt but come on not that much
December 30th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
I’m also a small hoster with 50 rooms but i don’t have the money to buy a other 25 codes.
Schaapje.eu
December 30th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Taz, your not a server host your a “wanna be hoster” clear the way for the real hosters. Pete your correct most computers UPSPEED cannot handle running a room let along most ADSL / DSL / Cable Routers arnt designed for en support NAT LOOPBACK which means u can access you own Public ip address from the internal network rendering it pointless anyways.
No Drama & Aus Net Servers Australia is one of very few people who own and run their own servers!!!!!
December 30th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
This is more like it the real hosters now fighting back, about time you guys backed me up on this!!
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
on another note….. Camfrog will realize very quickly that REAL hostlers like myself and Pete that between us host 200+ rooms will soon shutdown and sell off stock if camfrog keeps the one code per room.
The server codes are wayyyyy to expensive to run on one room. Its impossible to beat competition and make a profit to cover running costs on servers and overheads if camfrog is going to make us pay per code per room.
They should however to stop the theft of codes introduce a members area section that allows the REAL owners of the codes to set an IP Address in which the server code will and will only work on… what do you think guys??
December 30th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Over the past few years camfrog has been getting smaller and smaller and its getting harder and harder for us real hosters to operate. These wanna be hosters come and go like flies. i have been in operation since May 2005 doing camfrog rooms.
I can say if camfrog introduces this policy i wont buy ANYMORE codes!!!!!!!
i think Pete will back me with that one.
December 30th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
If this policy was to be kept id expect camfrog to lower the price to the same price as the video chat price
December 30th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Good idea, but IP’s change all the time on peoples PC’s and some Servers depending on there ISP provider, so I can see lock out problems with this.
Good idea in principle tho gronk, maybe need a little more thought from everyone, especially the hosters that unfortunatley do get hacked and loose there codes.
Camfrog I hope you leave the Web Panel in the new version, room owners love this function, it’s ok making it easier for hosters, but room owners love the web panel, I have 70 rooms that have a web panel, and most new customers ask for this also in there deal.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
We, FroxyServer, hosting over 40 rooms and most of those are mine codes. You think People can afford to get more codes that charge us 200 dollars for one room… No Way! You need reduce the prices or we will get out Camfrog for good. Many users cannot afford to get their own server pro code. Server Codes should be cheaper than Client because Dedicated Server are not cheap to pay. Camfrog Client is more features than Servers but you set those wrong price. I am really concern now.
December 30th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
i have just opened a brand new Dallas Datacentre Facility to cope with the large Network load of my camfrog rooms as my Melbourne Datacentre can not longer support the expanding amount of data.
It would be a waste of Thousands of Dollars that we have invested into it if camfrog keeps this policy.
i say camfrog needs to think of their clients not the $$$$ they can see coming in…..
December 30th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Gronk there’s about 10 hosters on borad already and growing by the hour, your another one, need I say more, im glad ive made you all speak your minds, but will camforg listen, before it’s to late…not for us!!!, but for them????
We will see….
Iv’e been called a Bragger, Drama Queen and more, call me what you like, ive got people speaking there minds so I don’t care either way, or maybe that’s what camfrog is concerned about, nice to see all the recent posts are fighting against this, so I see one battle won, but far from over
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Camfrog has a choice listen to us and make the changes to their coompany including there pethitic support and huge delays in replies or loose all the hosters that keep their program running
December 30th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
A Men To That Hallelujer Prace The People lol
December 30th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
And the list grows:
nodramauk (60 codes)
uksolutions (5 codes)
aussie hosting (40 codes)
GLC hosting (10 codes)
Black hosting (25 codes)
frogcore hosting (5 codes)
Camtochat hosting (13 codes)
giggles hosting 94 codes)
Aus net server (19 codes)
foxy server (40 codes)
Schaapje.eu (40 codes)
And still growing, I aint doing to bad for a Drama Queen now am I, just fighting for everyone who has invested money in these over priced codes!!!
The way out of this Camfrog is:
1) 1 Server Pro Code per two rooms as it always has been (even thought there over priced, it be more reasonable).
2) Or cheaper Server and Bot Pro Codes (and I mean alot cheaper)
And why has the Moderator gone quiet, maybe hes in bed, or shocked by the support im getting, which I new I already had, I have alot of friends all over camfrog, and now were all sticking together and fighting back!!
Your bought this debate on yourself camfrog, no one else is to blame, and digging at a constructive argument has just added fuel to the fire already burning with many hosters on camfrog
We will all stop buying codes if you don’t re-think this, see what income you loose, I wanted a good debate, but now it’s getting out of hand, and upsetting alot of hosters all over camfrog.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
i want them to rethink and lower their prices its a joke the prices for server and bot codes!!!!!!!!! making it hard to cover our running costs
December 30th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Well im guessing the Moderator has gone to bed in his 4 poster bed with satin sheets, im off to do the same in my king size bed thinking of server pro codes with cotton sheets, we will carry this on tomorrow,
And thanks again for the backing, meeting will be announced shortly im me for details hosters who disagree with this.
Well till camfrog see sense.
Pete
December 30th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG WILL SURVIVE…..STOP THAT STUPID BUSISNESS IN THE BUSISNESS…MOORE ROOMS THAN USERS…….THAT KILLS CAMFROG……….AND STOPS PEOPLE TRYNG TO MAKE MONEY ON OTHER POEPLES BACKS……IF THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY THEY SHOULD DO SOME RESEARCH OR INNOVATION AND STOP O USE CAMFROG AS A BUSINESS
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
to generate income in any manner
And ….. yes………Camfrog needs to reacvtivate their
old forum.
long life to camfrog with out all those vampires tryng to make money on your back…………………….
hosting should not be profitable….. for pleasure only or buy the web interface
Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only. You may not use the Camfrog software or site related services
LISTEN………….ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG
some people have difficulty to read english…i repeat and repeat…….Use of Camfrog is solely for your personal, non-commercial use
only
long life to camfrog with out all those vampires tryng to make money on your back…………………….
December 30th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Your a moroon seriously. u got no idea with out us hosters there wont be ANY ROOMS!!!!!!!! – bar the camfrog rooms so good luck
December 30th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
jack comtimplate this ( that is if u can ) – you have posted the same thing twice …. we arnt here to make money we are here to break even the money we spend in providing u the service u use. without use camforg wont be camfrog
December 30th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
JACK will you shut the hell up damn how thick can you be you keep going on about this you can’t make money from camfrog and crap
if this was so inportent why would camfrog turn around and make new server software for hosts to run multi rooms yes thats right MR you can’t make money from camfrog all hosts should be stopped CAMFROG MADE 5.0 JUST FOR THE HOSTS SO THEY CAN HOST ULTI ROOMS and they can’t inforce that rule as they have recommended hosts or what ever they are called yes thats camfrog saying a person will host a room for you so you can just shut up now your just not going to get anywhere with this
December 30th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
well said taz, you not as slow as i thought lol
December 30th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
BOLEX……….CAMFROG EXISTE WITH OUT YOU AND WILL SURVIVE WITH OUT YOU DONT FORGET CAMFROG CLIENT IS NOT JUSTE YOU
.YOU ARE ONLY GOOD TO FLOOD TO SHOW YOU ARE THE BEST MANY OF US DONT NEED YOU WE RENT A OWNE SERVER AND DO NOT MAKE MONEY
im with camfrog since day one and i have muiti room not for business juste for pleasure camfrog
BEFORE THE ROOM WAS SELLING THE CLIENT LICENCE
ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG WILL SURVIVE…..STOP THAT STUPID BUSISNESS IN THE BUSISNESS…MOORE ROOMS THAN USERS…….THAT KILLS CAMFROG
December 30th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
again your speaking gibberish.. how about you learn to speak english fluently and come back to the blog because u MAKE NO SENSE!!!!!!!!!
You dont get it do you.. well obviously not i will say it one more final time because u dont get it. Without people to host rooms there wont be any rooms bar the main camfrog rooms that are hosted by them = major money loss for camfrog because users will leave.
WAKE UP – STOP LIVING IN UR OWN LALA WORLD JACK
December 30th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
its not about making money well not for the dedicated hosts that own their own servers and datacentres. Its a profession. Its a Service… its what we do to support other. We charge to cover our running costs.
For a room to be run it costs on average 7.70 Per day for the power / internet usage for a server and thats based on a small room on no more then 10 users non pro.
December 30th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Camfrog has not opened this page for comments on code for or another but only for the new version of camfrog server.
The discussions went beyond expectations.
All users read these messages and do not think is correct, I ask you to change the subject for the good of all.
Thank.
Bye bye
December 30th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Aus Net Servers Australia you are stupid and racist try to speak diferent language …..paysant the wolrd we live with out australia
ONE SERIAL ……ONE ROOM…..IS VERY GOOD AND NORMAL I LIKE THAT……CAMFROG WILL SURVIVE…..STOP THAT STUPID BUSISNESS IN THE BUSISNESS…MOORE ROOMS THAN USERS…….THAT KILLS CAMFROG
December 30th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Sharing about your feedback about your thought of Codes and prices…
http://helpdesk.froxyserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=7.0
December 30th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
HEre update is http://helpdesk.froxyserver.com/forum/index.php?board=10.0
Sorry about previous link
December 30th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Yes Taz I infact do, seeings how I have a TB Memory Ram on my pc I myself will not have issues with lag or anything, moreso since I keep my room passworded so not just anyone can get in, and also, because only my closest friends can get in and thats about 10 users max, so yes, thank you, I do know what Im talking about. Camfrog themselves have stated if you run it from your pc, you cant have more than 10 users or so , to avoid lag. So for users like myself, with Small Rooms, yes, for us, you become obsolete. Have a nice Day, and God Bless.
December 30th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
This is not a blog about who is a real host and who isn’t and who owns what and who doesn’t. Anyone hosting Camfrog rooms is a real host some rent some colocate there own boxes this is irrelevant Camfrog doesn’t care about all that. Lets keep this blog on topic and stop bragging. We all know what the issue is here and if we don’t show camfrog what the real issue is then it isn’t going to be fixed.
December 30th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Craig, the issue sint about whos a better host or not its a long time arument that has gone on for many years that once again has been brought to a head again.
If camfrog tries to reintroduce the one server code per room a lot of hosters will simply turn off and sell there equipment or change programs. Camfrog has the choice.
As for you Jack, your immature and a nutcase and this isnt the place to be taking things personal so go sit under a tree and be a good boy because you have no idea what we are discussing here you want to stick you two bobs worth in which is okay WHEN IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT.
What would be nice however since i have downloaded and tried the server 5.0 for my self on a test room would be the ability to assign a dedicated IP address to a certain room also refer to as masking to protect server security and lower the chance of every room being hacked because they all use the one IP Address.
Wonder you keep saying the same thing… over and over again just like Jack. If you had any knowlwedge about networking and the way camfrog server works you would know that Camfrog Server needs a high amount of Upload speed to operate with out lag. Ram and CPU power plays a tiny if any part in the operation. However when you start getting into the bigg 1200+ rooms then ram becomes quiet important because its having to relay the video streams into the server encode them and then send it to the users IP / Address. That takes processing power and ram to do so. But the upspeed / Downspeed of an internet connection is the most important thing when it comes to the day to day operations of a server. As you stated Wonda, you keep your room pass-worded i bet if you where to get say 10 users all watching 2 cams that’s 30 streams you will find you internet will lag!!!!! – no if no buts and no maybes its the common logic of the way tipologly works when it comes to networking.
If you want to tell a network engineer wrong who handles this every single day. all day every day then its your loss i wont reply to your silly mind games and ranting about what you think when you have no idea, specially when i have numerous awards and certificates for my skills.
The person who posted the link to another site, you shouldnt do so!!! this is not the place to be advertising a different forums link. Issues like this should be taken up where every user is mutual and camfrog is the moderator.
December 30th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
As always im late !! New beta, Great works!!! but it would hit us with those procodes stuffs!!
As we never saw camfrog as a business point. We proudly host to them who dont have efficent money to get a room, and glad to help them who ever needed our experience. We would like to keep up users inside camfrog giving them more options to get their own chill out rooms with or without $$. But now we couldnt provide it with this beta one.
Im not backin any one ere but it is really thinkable!!
Greet~
Room_Check
December 30th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
While I know even posting is just feeding the trolls, I do believe it has been said several times that this is a feedback for a beta version of the software, not a policy debate forum.
I had a Camfrog Server serial replaced several years ago, and was told then (mid 2004) that if more than 1 room was using the same serial, that it would disconnect. It’s not a very difficult concept to grasp, and really, it isn’t that unknown, or even uncommon among software. If you buy the Sims, you get a license key, and you activate it once, on one computer. If you try to add a second computer (even your own laptop) then it says oh no you don’t! You’ve already activated. Fair is fair, if you buy 1 license, you have 1 license – 1 chatroom.
Anyhow, enough feeding the drama pools.
Camfrog Server 5.0 is well done, I’m impressed with it so far.
I think an awesome feature, would be to be able to read logs for a remote room, from the server software, maybe have a “Logs” tab after the message of the day.
December 31st, 2009 at 12:34 am
The price for the codes is outrageous!!!!!!!! for a peace of software that we buy to offer a service for people.. Period Camfrog needs to lift their game or loose everything they have been warned and they have been reading this debate.
December 31st, 2009 at 1:50 am
Pretty impressive so far, with a few things missing that should make out hosting a better experience for us and the users.
A few suggestions though:
+ Seperate Room Logs
+ Seperate remote panel logins for individual rooms. Our customers like to feel in-control of the rooms they rent, so giving them access to a remote panel would be a welcome addition
+ Revised Licensing Scheme. Since we can now run multiple rooms under 1 instance of the software, charging $199 just to be able to run pro rooms under the same instance seems a bit heavy.
Another alternative could be to charge a server pro license for the SERVER software, charge a cheaper ROOM pro license which can only be used in conjunction with a server pro instance.
December 31st, 2009 at 1:59 am
So in effect to the suggestion above, 1 Server Pro license can run 1 room pro (friendly for home hosting)… to run more room pros… they need to buy more ROOM licenses, which should be friendly for hosting companies.
December 31st, 2009 at 2:21 am
Camfrog is going to find a lot of the bigger hosters that keep camfrog running are going to stop buying codes. The price is expensive and ridiculous. Camfrog needs to weigh up money vs clients. All camfrog see’s is $$$.
As a datacentre owner and an owner of 300 servers its hard to keep prices cheap and continue buying codes, that’s why if camfrog dosent reverse this legislation i and so will others will stop buying server codes.
Its ok for the smaller wanna be hosters that rent servers from established datacentres, but for us dedicated hosts they have spent the money setting up and maintaing servers for camfrog room hosting its a huge blow for us.
December 31st, 2009 at 2:33 am
hahahahah matthew what a joke i see you aint changed 300 servers and your own datacentre lmao hahah too funny . This blog isn’t about you its about the camfrog software keep it on topic and get over yourself. i would encourage the admin to put a stop to all the host bashers and enforce the blog to be on topic.
December 31st, 2009 at 2:39 am
Unlike you, who says he co locates with softlayer and they dont even offer co-location services!!!!!!! – the pathological liar called craig dont get me started on you you pathetic weasel
December 31st, 2009 at 2:41 am
im offering my opinion which i am free to do so so get a grip!
P.S – this isnt Matthew ( but i know all about you )
December 31st, 2009 at 2:51 am
@Aus Net Servers
Actually this move is a huge blow too for “smaller wannabe” hosters, don’t forget you guys started small as well, so calling them wannabes is a bit uncalled for.
The TOS has been clear about the 1 serial 1 room rule since day 1.
We’re pretty lucky they allowed us to exist this long without invalidating our serials for breaking the TOS. It would be more constructive to work out a solution/compromise rather than complaining about exhorbatant prices over and over again.
@CamShare
I still believe my suggestion for paying a one time fee ($199) for a server pro license to run 1 pro room is a good one, to run additional pro rooms on the same server, we could have the option to buy _cheaper_ room licenses (possibly $99) that will only work under an activated pro server.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:01 am
Aus Net Servers Australia,
You need to go crawl back into your hole with your 5 hosted rooms and your 1 dedicated rented box with softlayer and stop putting everyone else down i never told you anything about me you are either guessing or making it up. For the last time keep on topic i refuse to post here anymore whilst kids like you sit here and bash everyone.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:06 am
I am not bashing anyone i am stating the facts you didnt need to tell me. Its called looking at the servers IP Information, that was some time ago. We have more rooms and servers then you. If you would like to take a trip to melbourne i will get matthew to personally give you a tour of our CFHS Servers and then boot you out!
your turned this into a tiff and i am ending it. I am sinply as part of the ansa team and a hoster sick of camfrog changing their minds every 5 minutes.
They know what their choices are. If you paid attention craig you seen i have already tested the program as that’s what i am paid to do and i gave my feedback.
Your not even a threat to us, for one look at your website and then look at ours look at the professionalism between them both. we do this as a career dont a backyard / afterhours job like you as you work full time.
I will not post anything more to you
December 31st, 2009 at 3:16 am
Aus Net Servers Australia,
Templatemonster is great to make websites i’d rathur do my own thanks. Grow up you are a kid don’t claim to be someone you are not its amazing how much crap you can talk on school holidays. Your team consists of yourself Every post here from you is about you and your so called company. Why don’t you post about the software not what you claim to own.
I wish everyone a happy new year a few hours to go here until 2010 .
December 31st, 2009 at 3:22 am
@ Aussiesly i think your the one that needs to grow up! come down to mleb and you can meet the team and see the server for your self wait… your jealous
– End Of Message –
December 31st, 2009 at 3:49 am
Fresh , shiny and NEW server EULA :
D. Licensee acknowledges the Licensed Software and its structure, organization, and source code constitute valuable trade secrets of Licensor. Accordingly, Licensee agrees not to (i) copy, perform, distribute, modify, adapt, alter, translate, or create derivative works (as defined by the U.S. Copyright Act) from the Licensed Software; (ii) merge the Licensed Software with other software;
(iii) sell, assign, sublicense, lease, rent, or loan the Licensed Software to
any third party;
(iv) port, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise
attempt to derive the source code for the Licensed Software; or (v) otherwise use the Licensed Software except as expressly allowed in this license and agreement. Licensee may not seek intellectual property protection for the Licensed Software or any site related services.
This is the meat of the matter.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:54 am
No its not – camfrog has known about hosters like myself and others since the day we all started regardless of the TOS.
Server 5.0 is good as in the GUI but the server code worries me and a lot of my clients not to mention every one else
December 31st, 2009 at 4:51 am
Did you read the new server EULA when you installed it?
December 31st, 2009 at 5:02 am
o yes and somthing else that just popped into my head camfrog you have not put in the option for room owners to turn off the room and restart it from the remote room login like you have on the web panel my self i also added a turn on button as some people turned it off and got confused how to turn it back on as it was a restart button not a turn on button
so please add the ( Turn Off Room ) ( Turn On Room ) ( Restart Room ) Buttons thanks
December 31st, 2009 at 5:29 am
OMG guys, what’s happened on here since I went for a nap, your all fighting about whos the best hoster and who is not.
Stop fighting between yourself and get back to the matter in hand Pro Codes.
Im shocked you have now brought this Blog into a slanging match, come on guys get a grip.
Big or small we will all suffer the same, all we want is camfrog to go back to 2 rooms one code, then all this will stop.
Were not asking for much camfrog, and you then wont loose out
PS:For gods sakes guys stop fighing and trying to prove who’s bigger than someone else, who cares, we all host, don’t matter how many rooms we do or don’t host, this Blog is to make camfrog see sense!!!
Save all this for the meeting on Sunday!!!
Link to send you thoughts on the whole situation >>> http://www.nodramaukroomhosting.info/cheaphosting/index.php?pr=Pro_Code_2_rooms
Pete
December 31st, 2009 at 6:51 am
Update….
And the list grows:
nodramauk (60 codes)
uksolutions (5 codes)
aussie hosting (40 codes)
GLC hosting (10 codes)
Black hosting (25 codes)
frogcore hosting (5 codes)
Camtochat hosting (13 codes)
giggles hosting 94 codes)
Aus net server (19 codes)
foxy server (40 codes)
Schaapje.eu (40 codes)
cheshirehosting (10 codes)
tunisia-host (15 codes)
And the list grows and grows!!!
My question is camfrog, are you going to discuss this with us, because if not and just go ahead with the rule, all the above we no longer buy codes, now whos going to loose out. I have all there word on this.
You probably hate me and my hosting right now, but really I don’t care to be honest, I fight for whats right, especially after all the hard work we have put into camfrog and safe hosting, I wonder how many new camfrog users hosters have made download camfrog by our advertising and other media activities.
We all bought over priced Pro Codes knowing they would work on 2 rooms, breaking TOS or not there the facts, are you going to re-think about this???
A reply would be nice Moderator.
Pete
December 31st, 2009 at 7:05 am
I would like to clarify something to help avoid a misunderstanding.
Someone posted that they are “sick of camfrog changing their minds every 5 minutes” but absolutely nothing has been changed with the way our serials work since we first implemented the system we have now over 6 years ago.
Also our current release version Camfrog Server versions are still working normally and available for download. Nothing has been changed with Camfrog serials in any way.
We understand that some people do not like the way serials are treated in this beta version by the server software itself and we will keep that in mind as we develop future beta versions.
I will be mostly unavailable for the Holiday, however if you find bugs or have feature requests for the new server version please contact the email on the Camfrog Server Beta download page http://download.camfrog.com/server5.0-beta.phtml, or you can post here if you have already been moderated in.
Thanks and I hope you have a Happy New Year!
Thanks, Craig
December 31st, 2009 at 7:06 am
Update….
And the list grows:
nodramauk (60 codes)
uksolutions (5 codes)
aussie hosting (40 codes)
GLC hosting (10 codes)
Black hosting (25 codes)
frogcore hosting (5 codes)
Camtochat hosting (13 codes)
giggles hosting 94 codes)
Aus net server (19 codes)
foxy server (40 codes)
Schaapje.eu (40 codes)
cheshirehosting (10 codes)
tunisia-host (15 codes)
CamAndChat Hosting (35)
December 31st, 2009 at 7:32 am
This is just advertising.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:40 am
Craig,
Thank you for responding to us all. When Camfrog allowed two rooms per server on one IP address, we were all very thankful. We could now afford to run two rooms, yet still basically for the cost of our providers. This was a mixed blessing, but was used by all to help re-coup the basic cost of the server plus the actual hosting costs. It was always against the EULA and TOS.
What if ALL room hosters chose to shut their servers/rooms down for a week?
Where would Camfrog be?
Server owners are the lifeblood of Camfrog. It you, Camfrog, had to run the rooms, it would cost you a bunch of money. You, Camfrog, has turned a blind eye to the supposed violations of the server hosters, knowing full well that they are advertisements for Camfrog, that Camfrog cannot afford to do for themselves. Why now, bite the hand that fuels your growth?
People opening real, paid-for rooms is your best advertisement. WTF?
Are you trying to kill that secondary revenue stream off?
If I were Camfrog, I would make the servers a standalone product and provide a tracker for Camfrog rooms. I would sell the client as a standalone and make money there. It would make things cheaper for Camfrog, and allow hosters a bit of money to recoup their initial costs.
If you continue in this vein, people WILL leave, AND word will get around. I think that is counterproductive, For ALL concerned.
Please put yourself in the position of trying to run a 1000 user Camfrog room, do the math and see what we mean.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:51 am
Criag,
Thank you for your response, and for listening to the people who have helped make camfrog as big as it is today.
Long as the Serials stay the same, everyone is happy, and I believe we are all impressed with the new Beta version, so keep up the good work.
I have sent you a seperate email, as I feel partly responsible for a free for all on this Blog site, but I can not control what other people post, especielly last night whil I was sleeping were some took it a little to far, me included at times in earlier posts, but that was mainly because alot of the responses were not justified, so I had to correct a few things and we all were slightly going of the subject at hand.
Have a Good New Year to you and all the Camfrog Staff, and lets keep up the safe camfrog into 2010!!!
Pete
December 31st, 2009 at 8:05 am
Once again Zoom great post, but I think camfrog and Craig are beginning to see sense.
One code two rooms, camfrog survives another year, if it does not then as you have posted and I know there will be the biggest mutiny camfrog has ever seen by hosters and users of camfrog.
I have alot of backing on this, and feel a bit of a spokesman, but I am fighting for every decent, honest hoster and camfrog owner, prices will rise and no one wants to see that and in the long term camfrog will loose out and other chat sites will reap the benefits.
Believe it or not this subject is already being discussed on other sites like paltalk because I also have a part of that program, have for many years, and word gets around, and I am sure the admin on there are rubbing there hands because there not blind and can see whats going to happen.
I believe in 2010 and after a few days off and a few well deserve beers, camfrog will post on here what we have all been fighting for over the past few days and thats put into one word “commonsense”.
Serials will be the same as before, and maybe cheaper, well we can all hope hahahaha, I forgot Christmas is over Bahh Hum Bug!!!!
Pete
December 31st, 2009 at 8:12 am
Craig,
Although you will not want to hear this camfrog has been going downhill for at least a year since Server 4.0 came out. i myself have delt with you on several occasions to try and sort things out through the help desk and have lead to major frustration and anger.
I would like your comments on this admin ( craig ) about implementig a “Members Only” secure or client area that the server codes we buy romyou guys is listed.
It would be good to see Server Codes bound to a specific IP / Motherboard to stop people stealing the codes?.. what do people think about this?
December 31st, 2009 at 8:21 am
What gets me is admin several times when i brought new codes mid last year i was told by help desk staff ( Jarrod & yourself ) that we can only use one code per room when i reported someone has been using my code.
Camfrog Reply after days of waiting was pretty much that we can only use one code per room. That goes against what you said above \ Someone posted that they are “sick of camfrog changing their minds every 5 minutes” but absolutely nothing has been changed with the way our serials work since we first implemented the system we have now over 6 years ago. \
I think Camfrog Support needs to be improved for us hosters so we can get what we need and not bug you admins that are very busy running camfrog. By that is an automated serial replacement system if we need it where it deactivates one code and gives us a knew one if we can provide information that we are the owners of the codes. ( that always seems to be the issue )
When we buy the codes we use email address that we change or loose access to. For example my very first code is registered to an email address and domain name that no longer exists ( southernlightservers.net.au ) i fought for a week with camfrog to prove i was the owner as i had nothing to prove i was the owner.
Happy new year all ( Currently 1/1/2010 – 2.20AM )
December 31st, 2009 at 8:23 am
admin, you comments would be appreciated on my comments
Thanks
Matt
December 31st, 2009 at 8:54 am
Hello everyone!!
My contribution… I believe the new GUI is excellent. A most needed upgrade. I have a couple of dozen rooms and bots and lately, it is a pain in the ass to keeps users and rooms running smoothly. Un-experienced users keep changing preset settings to later complain that the “room does not work”
I believe the following will improve the GUI usability and security for both; the end user and the system admin
1. Profile Tab
I think “Video resolution” and Administrator email should be the only features deactivated.
2. General Tab
Deactivate the following:
2.1 “maximum allowed number of users”
2.2 “Maximum line breaks count”
2.3 “Automatic anti-scroll/anti-spam filter”
2.4 “Show popup Notifications”
2.5 “Disable hyperlinks”
I believe end users have no business manipulating those settings.
3. Serial Number
Exposing the partial serial number is a NO. If you must have it, Instead of listing the serial numbers, List the number. For example; Create something like “Serial Number:Serial Number 01 Activated”
4. Server Logs
Create another Tab “Room Logs”
Problems so far..
1. Bots fail to join the rooms
2. New created rooms using the new interface fail to login once they are disconected.
December 31st, 2009 at 9:51 am
To be honest i must say that the new setup is alot better in all cases for several reasons and here they are.
1, It gives the end user the ability to controle there room with ease.
2, This should stop the holding of rooms when a user desideds to leave a host and go to another.
3. The GUI is dam sexy and makes me smile.
4. It is secure so only the room configs can be changed, your procodes are safe and less chance of being attacked via the open port used by the web pannel.
5. This will help hosters manage there servers better, instead of having to remote desktop a server to install a new room you just do it through this server pannel on your desktop, its even better for thoughs cleaver hosts who have gone to linux as the pannel will alow managment of the linux rooms aswell.
In all i must say that this release has been a shinning light to the future of room hosts, without which we would not have the camfrogh we know today.
Chins up guys this is for the better and from what i can see in this new pannel, a new aray of features to come.
All the best and happy new year
Anthony
December 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm
One of most my conern is what if I decide to move to new server company, how can I transfer those information??
December 31st, 2009 at 1:31 pm
My question is to Matt- Aus Net Servers,
If Camfrog were to enable a server serial to only be used with a specific IP or motherboard, what happens then if your IP Changes or you upgrade your motherboard?
—————————–
Now for Camfrog Admin.
The best solution here is to keep the limitations the same, as they are now but have a choice of which server to download from camfrog.
Users who prefer to use multiple servers can download the original server and carry on using web control panels.
Users who prefer to download and use the new server can also use remote access where their customers can download the server for themselves and add the room to remote rooms.
It is simple for those hosters that have been on camfrog for a while. Camfrog are very good with what they are doing, though they could cut down on prices i think. If on the new server (serials cannot be used more the once) alot of hosters will not be able to carry on hosting the chat rooms for camfrog.
If it wasnt for us on Camfrog, then Camfrog wouldnt exist as only the original 12 Camfrog rooms would.
I think if Camfrog is to change the server serial limitations, then the prices to buy extra serials should decrease in order for customers to replace them in shortage.
Thanks,
FrogRoomHosting
December 31st, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Binding the IP to the serial would done the same way you activate\deactivate the serial number or change ports. An extra field may be added to include the server’s IP.
Binding the IP should require a strong password\nick, so stolen serials could not be linked to a different IP.
Bronx
December 31st, 2009 at 2:55 pm
hay it all looks good to me old hosters needs to remember stuf changes every day and thank goodness and camfrog has a right to charge and limit the services just like u 1 room 1 key is fair and for bots and pro if u ask me and i think hosters who go from hosters to hosters to sir up drama and bad mouth camfrog should be tos,ed and stop posting your crap here we want to see what outhers think about the server not the crying over change great fn job camfrog
December 31st, 2009 at 3:10 pm
admin, i want from you to unban my friend nickname >9_1< because he did not do any fraudulent purchase , he bought the nickname from egyption guy
Please reply soon
Thank you
December 31st, 2009 at 3:24 pm
My question / answer is to Frog Room Hosting:
I dont see what you mean. Before the start of January we ( Aus Net Servers Australia where using the same Pentium 4 2.66GHZ that we started using back in 2004. Very rarely did we ever shut them down and they where only replaced because we have upgraded to better redundancy by adding multiple power supplies in the one box and dual network cards and the old server boards didnt support it.
If you read further up a few posts of mine i ask admin and say they should devolp a ” Members Area” for the server codes, somewhere where us hosters can login and change the servers IP Address. I think the Server Codes should be locked to that server however offer an option to if your going to upgrade or change server that you can u just reset the code and the next time the code is used it retrieves the info much like WHMCS.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Bronx_Guy, i think the binding of a serial to an IP Address or a physical aspect of a server will stop a lot of the issues with stolen codes that dosent just stop at server codes it could be used on the video chat codes as well. I am sure camfrog admins are sick of replacing codes because people have given them out and then fallen out with the person that gave it to and they have the code and abuse it so the real owner carnt get use it properly.
Ahmeds, your request is falling on deaf ears Camfrog wont unban a user. Once disabled there is a reason they are disabled. I find it hilarious that you say he brought the name from an egyptioon… that’s a lame excuse!!!!! – you got to do better then that trust me
December 31st, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Dear Admins,
Ok, I had some video issues with only using the new beta server and only in my room. I entered my room and it said my video couldnt be loaded or something because I need to check my firewall or router, or go to F & Q in camfrog home, and i did and i sent the debug log to support@camfrog.com and im stilll waiting for a response, you can cross reference my email here and the one you received from my actual email. I tested it and when i went into my room only on the new beta server i had no cam and it told me so. Then i decided to go into the Main Camfrog all ages all languages room, and I had a cam just fine. So I then proceeded to uninstall the server beta and reinstall the old version again, and now everything works just fine again. Other than that, and the few other bugs I told you before…I LOVE IT! Hope you guys and gals get it fixed soon so I can download it again and use it. Til then, I look forward to see what amazing changes you create next. Love and thanks to all the admins for all your hard work…BRAVO!<333
December 31st, 2009 at 5:04 pm
I agree, I may stop the hacking and stealing or at least discourage it. However, IP \ serial binding would not be applicable to the client (video chat) because most people have dynamic IPs.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:53 pm
i know how much of a pain in the ass it is tog et a serial replaced so i really want to get something pout in place to get the codes protected in a better way some kind of secure area.. any idea people?
P.S it must be your server, i am not having any of those issues one of my CFHS Servers is running 5.0 with 21 users currently
December 31st, 2009 at 6:18 pm
http://lifehacker.com/5113886/top-10-ways-to-lock-down-your-data
Check #8 and #2.
http://lifehacker.com/178005/geek-to-live–encrypt-your-data
December 31st, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Reply to? Matt Aus Net Servers Australia,
I think i was confused to what you had been talking about, but even so with the ip user iterface on the website i dont think that is a good idea, it should either be registered to a username or email address or a specific name. If an IP Address were to be used then customers of Camfrog would be forever logging into the website to change thier IP Address.
Thanks,
Shane
December 31st, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Admin,
Wow.. I love new cool CF server beta amazingly it looks like ALL in ONE.
One question: Will next released beta version get a feature such as “Log Connections” for each room? if so, Hope so.
Thanks and Hope all of you enjoy a new ahead year and best wishes!
December 31st, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Mystery, yes it will probably get that feature.
December 31st, 2009 at 6:50 pm
My question is to Admin, on the new servers will each room still be able to have its own individual remote/web control panel becuase from my website i have a user account services and account profiles. when a user logins to the website they are directed automatically to their own designated profile, and there they can find a link to be able to connect in a new window to the server connection.
Thanks,
Shane
December 31st, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Thats our reward… promoting camfrog?? In this case i ofcourse support nodrama uk(dramauk,) and some more peeps ovva here cuz as you need $$ for your works ..we have to equal our efforts too.we are providing masive servers in camfrog with huge range of bandwitches, and our partners running over 130 rooms.
Objective its notta fair game to them
Room_Check~
December 31st, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Happy new year!
December 31st, 2009 at 10:44 pm
One of our server is now being attacked, and are demanding a server code.
All of our servers have been attacked via DDOS attack today, along with another number of other hosts that we know of.
I strongly believe that Camfrog should be acting to ban those individuals that do not follow TOS.
Sadly it seems as though those that have not been following TOS with regard to one code per room now seem to want to break TOS even further and try to take out those hosts that have been foloowing TOS, by DDosing them and attempting to blackmail them into giving out their server codes.
User name in this instance is D_DOS_ACK.
Screen shots have been sent to helpdesk@camfrog.com.
December 31st, 2009 at 10:46 pm
PS HAPPY NEW YEAR.
I see the unscrupulous are going to try to make it a diffuclt one for the rest of us.
Such is life! We suffered worse.
January 1st, 2010 at 1:10 am
@ CIGS_AND_VODKA
1. this isnt the place to mention that although thanks for bring it up i dont need to worry all my servers that i own are ddos protected by hardware / software firewalls maybe u need to improve ur security on your rented servers contact your datacentre.
January 1st, 2010 at 1:12 am
also, on the note of idiototic people on camfrog i would like to bring it to the attention of camfrog of a bot running round on all sorts of differant names that we are all experiencing where it wants us to go toa website and it uses all sorts of different names…
although it hasn’t hit our tech support names ina few days camforg might have gotten rid of the pest.
January 1st, 2010 at 1:44 am
Aus given the discussion that has gone before I think this is the right place to mention this.
Our servers are fully equppied already with DDOS protection however there seems to be little in the way of preventing port flooding that any firewall or hardware solution can offer, either on Linux or Windows.
We’ve left this matter in the hands of the Data Centre now and have been assured that apporpriate action will be taken, but given the debate that has gone on about hosters now needing to purchase more server codes, sadly I think this will become a more common occurrence.
January 1st, 2010 at 6:51 am
End off the day we all have broke TOS as we all have used the codes twice, every hoster on this Blog site have done it, and we purchased over priced codes because we new we could or most od us would not have, whats camfrog going to do ban 80% of the hosters on camfrog, I like to see what happens if they do that.
DDOS is a massive problem, and for the last 6 months I have been collecting information on the culprits attcaking mine, especially ones closer to home, and in the new year all this information, I will take down a few individuals who funny enough are now upset because there being DDOS attacked to.
Im afraid DDOS attacks is part of camfrog and no matter what we do to protect against it, theres ways around it, I will now just log everything, my server companys are logging everything and I will take the appropiate action with proper channels in the new year spending my own money to put a stop to it.
In the UK it’s a 6 year prison sentence for DDOS attacking, and I already have information on certain hosters and individuals to have them sent down for it.
Camfrog can not really stop DDOS attacks, because it’s your data centre and ISP provider who need to take the appropiate messures as it’s there networks being attacked, some aint interested and some will back you all the way, lucky for me I have there backing and like I say I will in the new year be, which I hoped would not have to happen take some of these people down. which could possibly mean them ending up in prison, but they have themself to blame, and for the record I know some who have posted on here are the culprits but don’t worry, your going to have a very short new year.
The net is catching up with you, no more mr nice guy!!!
ONE CODE…TWO…ROOMS…THAT’S WHAT WERE FIGHTING FOR….REMEMEBER…GUYS
Pete
January 1st, 2010 at 7:25 am
The whole premise is this : Camfrog allowed us to have two servers per code on one server. Now the new software disallow’s this. Either Camfrog should continue with this ability, or they should lose 1/2 of their REAL rooms. Thsi is the end all and be all of the subject.
Should Camfrog reject this, then it behooves us all to report any room that have:
6. Obscene, nude or offensive photos, videos, and profiles are absolutely forbidden.
This will cover ALL “adult” rooms. Make Camfrog do to those other rooms, what they do to you room hosters! Fair is fair!
Let’s see how that works.
January 1st, 2010 at 8:07 am
I find these threatening comments comical.
Camfrog goes out of its way to develop a new server software so hosters can easily control large numbers of rooms with one simple interface and the response of two people on here is to make threats.
I tested the new server software and found that if you have more than one server you can use the same serial on both servers so everything still works the same way. Maybe the two people complaining only have one server? Also the admin posted above that the old server software will still be available and work as it always has.
Camfrog does not have to allow two rooms per serial, but they have done this for years and continue to do so. In return for allowing two rooms per serial to work all they get in return is threats.
Two different people are threatening Camfrog that if Camfrog doesn’t openly allow software piracy they will cause them problems? If I was these individuals and companies I would be embarrassed and retract my remarks immediately. If you look up the penalties for software piracy in the UK and US you will find it’s no joke.
“Illegal distribution and use of software can result in prison terms of up to five years, and felony charges with fines up to US$250,000. In civil litigation against those who illegally distribute Adobe software, Adobe can obtain the higher of its lost profits, the infringer’s profits, or statutory damages of up to $US150,000 per product infringed, plus Adobe’s attorney fees” I found this on Adobe’s website. NoDramaUK brags about sharing 60 codes above so it looks like Camfrog could easily get a judgment of $9 million against him in court if Adobe’s information is accurate. I think all Camfrog would have to do is take the posts from this guys Blog comments to court.
I hope potential customers will read the threats from people like Zoomshorts and NoDramaUK and see the kind of people they are, then decide if that’s the kind of person or company they want to do business with.
The people who are making threats may want to remember that you’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar, and right now you seem to be spewing out vinegar everywhere. I wouldn’t be surprised if the vinegar you are spewing comes back to bite you in the ass.
Software piracy has real consequences and I think openly threatening Camfrog in a public forum and admitting software piracy is a very dumb thing to do.
Happy New Year all.
January 1st, 2010 at 8:16 am
Personally i believe the server development is an impressive step forward. The hosting companies make a small fortune, so stop complaining. You wouldn’t buy a Microsoft product and expect to use the serial twice now would you? I look forward to seeing how the new version develops.
Looking forward to the Bot Beta too.
January 1st, 2010 at 8:51 am
Jeff I host over 100 Rooms, they all host with me because im geniune, good value for money (well I hope that stays that way) and don’t hide behind a program or a false nick name, I have always used this name and hide from no one or my comments from no one, you either listen or don’t, really I don’t care, everyone is entitled to there opinion, unfortunatley some don’t dare give one, or the right one to make themself better.
Simple fact is we all bought these codes knowing we could use them twice, if we couldn’t theres no way 90% of hosters on camfrog would of spent the money they have, I have always had my customers and camfrog interests at heart not mine, every room I rent is advertisement for camfrog.
Yes I make money from hosting, who does not, lets face it, the hours and blood, sweat and tears involved with hosting, the Drama, DDOS,ing of Servers and Backstabbers I would never now do this as a hobbie!!!
Without hosters there would be no camfrog, that’s the reason they put there software and serials on the market so they could invest that money back in to improving the software, which of course I welcome.
Now if they were more resonably priced then we would not have a issue, windows 7 cost just over £100 and most software now allows you to use it on at least three PC’s, Nortons, Microsoft Office, and alot more need I say more???
So get facts rights before you say 1 serial one room is more than worth it!!!
Norton’s and Microsoft office also had this issue, reason they now allow it on 3 PC’s not just the one, and why, because they listened to the people who made them what they are today, and now fact they sell 48% more!!!
And yes ive been doing my homework on this having contacts in the IT and Software Systems World with my job it gives me alot of good contacts, im just trying to make codes more realistic and affordable for hosters and private buyers, don’t forget users on camfrog buy codes and let hosters run the rooms and a reduced rate, so this will effect everyone. Camfrog will not loose out, but I am guessing they think they will, we buy more codes they don’t they make it one code per room, we don’t buy more codes, wont be us loosing out, be the whole of camfrog as they wont be able to invest in improving the program.
I am not trying to tell camfrog or people on it what to do or not do, I am trying to help camfrog and the hosters and there users to make it even better than it is today but at a reasonable cost, and the amount off Ass Lickers on here makes me smile as you all use the code on two rooms, just your getting people like me to do your dirty work, which I am happy to do. Someone has to!!!!
And Jeff read up there 14 hosters complaining not just two, and were not making threats, we all want camfrog to be better than it is to day, but keep everything as it is today, and let them try and sue me, every hoster will suffer because we all have done it, thinking there was nothing wrong in doing it.
This is not a war against camfrog, and never will be, it’s a war in making camfrog the same as it has always been and improving the service with serial codes they sell to hosters like me, exactly the same on the new software is all we ask.
Pete
January 1st, 2010 at 9:25 am
NoDramaUK,
So not only do you openly commit and support software piracy but you make money doing it. Thanks for verifying that information! I hope Camfrog is reading this…
If Camfrog needs money then I think they should go after you. $9 million is a nice chunk of change. I’m sure they couldn’t get the full $9 million out of you but maybe they could take your house, car, and anything else you have. The court case would be open and shut due to your brilliant comments on this Blog, LOL!
I never said “1 serial one room is more than worth it” anywhere in my post. I said that the serials work the same way they always have and I verified this myself with my two servers (please note I do not engage in software piracy). I also said that Camfrog Server software works exactly the same as usual and I know this because I host rooms myself.
Maybe part of the issue is due to you having reading comprehension problems. I think your threats are crazy, unnecessary, and ridiculous.
I think it’s fair for a host to give serious feedback on the new software but you have taken it to a new unnecessary level and made serious threats and I think you deserve to be called out on it. I hope for your sake that your New Year doesn’t start out in a court room but I wouldn’t be surprised if it does.
Making money from software piracy and openly bragging about it, LOL! Happy New Year, LOL!
January 1st, 2010 at 9:36 am
We don’t need a flame war on New Years Day guys.
I went ahead and disabled comments. If you have any further constructive comments please email them to us http://download.camfrog.com/server5.0-beta.phtml.
We take all your comments very seriously and I hope you are happy with the next server beta. When the next beta is released it will be posted here on the Blog.